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re: Would Bama have been better off if they had hired Mike Elko?
Posted on 10/21/24 at 6:01 pm to graves1
Posted on 10/21/24 at 6:01 pm to graves1
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The defense is learning a new system with several freshmen starting or playing significant minutes.
Same for A&M and their defense is better.
Heck, even LSU's defense has given up less PPG in SEC play and it's significantly less talented. There are 6-8 3 stars starting or getting significant playing time for LSU.
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Posted on 10/21/24 at 6:03 pm to paperwasp
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Yeah, if you tell me how many points Tennessee has midway through the 4Q with our banged up secondary, I'm feeling pretty good.
When Ryan Williams is wide open multiple times and only has to make a move on a single white safety for the go-ahead score, again, I'm feeling pretty good.
Us instead completely missing those throws and going three-and-out multiple times has absolutely nothing to do with Mike Elko coming in and fixing cultural problems.
To be fair, Nico missed a ton of throws as well.
That was a herp derp fest of bad quarterback play.
Posted on 10/21/24 at 6:06 pm to SidewalkTiger
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To be fair, Nico missed a ton of throws as well.
That was a herp derp fest of bad quarterback play.
No doubt. We rely on the mistakes of the other team defensively. But it should have been enough IMO.
Posted on 10/21/24 at 6:08 pm to paperwasp
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Yeah, if you tell me how many points Tennessee has midway through the 4Q with our banged up secondary, I'm feeling pretty good.
When Ryan Williams is wide open multiple times and only has to make a move on a single white safety for the go-ahead score, again, I'm feeling pretty good.
Us instead completely missing those throws and going three-and-out multiple times has absolutely nothing to do with Mike Elko coming in and fixing cultural problems.
I agree, we win if Milroe doesn't shite the bed. But I agree with sidewalk in that Nico was just as bad.
Defensively we are probably screwed against LSU, but maybe we can do well enough in the others. If Milroe plays well, might can win a shootout with LSU, but seems unlikely at this point.
This post was edited on 10/21/24 at 6:12 pm
Posted on 10/21/24 at 6:09 pm to SidewalkTiger
This is very unfair.
Just to maintain the level of Saban would have been superhuman, especially with NIL.
Elko came to A&M knowing what he was getting- the good, bad, and ugly about the position.
Just to maintain the level of Saban would have been superhuman, especially with NIL.
Elko came to A&M knowing what he was getting- the good, bad, and ugly about the position.
quote:100%.
I am in the camp of anybody following saban would struggle. Shoes are too big
Posted on 10/21/24 at 6:11 pm to SidewalkTiger
Time of possession. The defense gets a stop and go straight back on the field. 3 and outs and turnovers are killing them.
Posted on 10/21/24 at 6:11 pm to 3down10
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Defensively we are probably screwed against LSU, .
Milroe will become a Heisman candidate again, 500 all purpose yards and 6 touchdowns.
Posted on 10/21/24 at 6:25 pm to Aggie in TN
You said that about Sumlin and Jimbo too.
Posted on 10/21/24 at 6:39 pm to Old1937
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You said that about Sumlin and Jimbo too.
The situations aren’t even in the same universe. And if you think they are, you don’t know anything about this team, nor have you been following anything that Mike Elko has done this season.
Both Sumlin and Fisher were splash hires at the time, coming into the job with big salaries and big expectations. A&M did a complete 180 on their usual hiring modus operandi, and took a chance on a blue-collar defensive coordinator. No splash, no national championship, pedigree. Just a rugged New Jersey football guy.
The risk and results have far exceeded what anyone hoped for.
This post was edited on 10/21/24 at 6:51 pm
Posted on 10/21/24 at 7:14 pm to Aggie in TN
quote:IMO, after seeing him in action, Elko was exactly what AnM needed after their $95mm, all-world coach and recruiting class fall from grace.
Elko was a top 5 DC in his time.
His career trajectory is solid. He was not a gamble. We know what we were getting.
Bama did not.
Ya'll were like the guy who built the homemade piece of shite submarine in his back yard that imploded on him when he swam too close to the sun, and just like State's 45 year record breaking dog shite team brought some reality back to yall and texas @ austin by letting yall hang around too long and winding up beating ourselves, you've been brought back down to reality just like the fine cracker barrell customers of alabama have been.
Reality checks are a good thing, and Elko is a great addition to the trophy case. The gumps would be in much better shape if they had him, but they don't, and now, sadly, their sister wives will pay dearly and brutally. The oral surgeons of crimson tide country were already overwhelmed. I pray for them nightly now.
Solid hire for AnM, but guys, let's pray for the wives and children of gump country, and pray their biological brother-husbands to have discernment when the honor beatings have gone too far.
Posted on 10/23/24 at 7:44 am to Wellborn
I would also add that Sumlin coached at Cougar High while Elko put in that time as an SEC DC and a Power 5 coach at Duke.
Sumlin had zero HC experience in the Power 5 and zero SEC experience.
Like I said, we knew what we were getting with Elko.
Sumlin was the gamble.
Sumlin had zero HC experience in the Power 5 and zero SEC experience.
Like I said, we knew what we were getting with Elko.
Sumlin was the gamble.
Posted on 10/23/24 at 7:48 am to 3down10
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Probably gonna have an LSU type season this year, 3-4 losses.
You really need some new material.
Posted on 10/23/24 at 7:53 am to Monsusta
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Elko would never have signed with Bama as Tuscaloosa doesn't have enough all-you-can-eat buffets to support his appetite.
What?! The average Bama t-shirt fan is morbidly obese.
Posted on 10/23/24 at 8:49 am to SidewalkTiger
Elko and DeBoer have totally different situations to deal with. Elko came into a team with a weak culture that was not used to winning. I'm sure the players are willing to give him the benefit of the doubt when he makes changes to the way Fisher did things because they have a hope that change will lead to more wins. DeBoer came into a team with an extremely strong culture that was very used to winning. I imagine when he makes changes at least some of the players are resistant because "that's not the way Coach Saban did it."
If DeBoer is going to be successful at Bama - if, mind you - he is going to have more success the fewer players there are on the roster that remember the way things were done under Saban.
If DeBoer is going to be successful at Bama - if, mind you - he is going to have more success the fewer players there are on the roster that remember the way things were done under Saban.
Posted on 10/23/24 at 9:01 am to mudshuvl05
Posted on 10/23/24 at 9:05 am to SEC Doctor
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What?! The average Bama t-shirt fan is morbidly obese.
Well this is awkward. Thank goodness for Louisiana.
Making long term proclamations about either Elko or Deboer 7 games into their tenures is as stupid as someone from Louisiana making fun of Alabama for being fat.
Posted on 10/23/24 at 9:08 am to SidewalkTiger
While Deboer might have been a more proven commodity at the time, I wouldn't trade Elko for him right now. I have no complaints. The team just seems more resilient and more like an actual team rather than a collection of 5-star mercenaries looking to secure the best bag for themselves.
Posted on 10/23/24 at 9:14 am to SidewalkTiger
Once DeBoer gets a QB suited to his offense all this talk will go away. If Penix had one more year of eligibility and transferred to Bama they would probably be sitting undefeated right now.
Does that mean I think they go on to win it all? No, but they'd have just as good of a chance as anyone else at the moment. Bama may also have some issues on defense, but having a good offense often more than makes up for that. Never underestimate the power of jumping out to a lead and making the opponent one dimensional.
As for all the culture stuff, that will simply take time. Every time a team gets a new coach you'll hear coach speak like "everyone is bought in, fully onboard with < insert new coach > and we feel good about the direction we're headed". As someone who has lived through 3 coaching changes in just over a decade, I can tell you that's 100% bullshite. Sure some of the players may be fully bought in, but the guys recruited by Saban and his coaching staff take time to mentally adjust. Sometimes you don't see full buy-in until year 3 or 4. That doesn't mean you can't have a winning team, but it does make things more difficult.
Does that mean I think they go on to win it all? No, but they'd have just as good of a chance as anyone else at the moment. Bama may also have some issues on defense, but having a good offense often more than makes up for that. Never underestimate the power of jumping out to a lead and making the opponent one dimensional.
As for all the culture stuff, that will simply take time. Every time a team gets a new coach you'll hear coach speak like "everyone is bought in, fully onboard with < insert new coach > and we feel good about the direction we're headed". As someone who has lived through 3 coaching changes in just over a decade, I can tell you that's 100% bullshite. Sure some of the players may be fully bought in, but the guys recruited by Saban and his coaching staff take time to mentally adjust. Sometimes you don't see full buy-in until year 3 or 4. That doesn't mean you can't have a winning team, but it does make things more difficult.
Posted on 10/23/24 at 9:18 am to SidewalkTiger
Not to defend bama that much, but to be fair, bama had nowhere to go but down in terms of discipline after saban left, next guy was always gonna have a hard time living up to that.
And on the flip side, whoever we hired post Jimbo pretty much had nowhere to go but up with all the crap jimbo let fly.
So it was kind of inevitable both teams would be on the trajectories they are right now.
And on the flip side, whoever we hired post Jimbo pretty much had nowhere to go but up with all the crap jimbo let fly.
So it was kind of inevitable both teams would be on the trajectories they are right now.
This post was edited on 10/23/24 at 9:29 am
Posted on 10/23/24 at 9:19 am to captdalton
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Making long term proclamations about either Elko or Deboer 7 games into their tenures is as stupid
It never stopped you from making all types of proclamations about BK early in his coaching tenure at LSU
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