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re: Why Sooners are doomed in SEC.
Posted on 4/18/22 at 11:26 am to Oklahomey
Posted on 4/18/22 at 11:26 am to Oklahomey
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they’ll win an SEC title
I'm not so sure you'll ever even show up. A&M and Missouri announced they were moving to the SEC and made it happen immediately. Texas and Oklahoma sure are dragging their feet. It seems more like a PR move than anything else at this point. Either get in the boat, or don't.
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Posted on 4/18/22 at 11:28 am to HogsOfWar
Are you trying to tell me that the team that loses to Iowa State and Kansas State every single year and then gets absolutely worked by an SEC team in bowl season isn't going to win at the same rate? Impossible. Sooner fans have told me they are the best program in football the past 20 years just after Alabama. Playing in Baton Rouge at night is just as easy as playing in Waco! The Sooners say so!
Posted on 4/18/22 at 11:30 am to HogsOfWar
I think the sooners will be better than most around here think but will definitely struggle more than sooner fans think. They'll be arky with a higher ceiling
Posted on 4/18/22 at 11:36 am to Zgeo
Saban didn't prepare Sark for shite; and, unfortunately for Sark he went to a team whose previous two coaches left nothing in the trenches for him to work with.
Time and the portal will tell the tale for him and Texas. His previous two stops were underwhelming at best.
As for Venables and OU? He is an unknown with respect to being a head coach. I have always liked the guy and his defenses have been strong more often than not. Maybe he will be able to blow the lid off for Okie like Sumlin did for A&M....although that was more Manziel than Sumlin.
It will be fun watching the fallout either way.
Time and the portal will tell the tale for him and Texas. His previous two stops were underwhelming at best.
As for Venables and OU? He is an unknown with respect to being a head coach. I have always liked the guy and his defenses have been strong more often than not. Maybe he will be able to blow the lid off for Okie like Sumlin did for A&M....although that was more Manziel than Sumlin.
It will be fun watching the fallout either way.
Posted on 4/18/22 at 11:56 am to Texas Aggy
Like the Oklahoma situation, Ken Hatfield left before Arkansas joined the SEC just as Riley left Oklahoma before they will join the SEC. Arkansas hired the OC Jack Crowe, he got fired and Arkansas kept making bad hires. It wasn't until Petrino that Arkansas had a good coach.
Now with Venables, you don't know what you will get but it wouldn't take many bad hires and you are at the bottom of the SEC.
Now with Venables, you don't know what you will get but it wouldn't take many bad hires and you are at the bottom of the SEC.
Posted on 4/18/22 at 12:09 pm to Zgeo
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Espn pumps up the sec for obvious reasons. We are looking forward to being a beneficiary of the inflated ranking once we are in the SEC.....
Couldn't be because the SEC dominates other conferences or anything, could it? Or possibly that the SEC produced the national champion in 6 of the last 10 years, 13 of the last 20 years, and 16 of the last 30 years?
Posted on 4/18/22 at 12:45 pm to troyt37
As an OU fan these types of threads are going to be commonplace until OU and Texas finally get to the SEC. So keep 'em comin' while you can.
When nut cuttin'time we will obviously find out. However, there are a few things SEC fans need to consider.
1) OU has gotten smoked by the SEC champs in the playoff games but they are 6-1 against non-SEC champs over the last 20 years. So they should slot in easily in the top half of the conference regardless on arrival.
2) The idea that OU won't be able to handle SEC crowds. While SEC crowds are bigger, when OU plays on the road in the Big XII the hatred is white hot. There may only be 55K at Kansas State or 60K at ISU, or 70K in Stillwater, but rest assured that road crowds are loud and there is tons of intensity due to generations of fans who hate getting beat by OU. So OU will be more prepared than you might think. Ironically, in the SEC OU will be just another game for SEC fans.
3) Realistic OU fans realize that the days of winning the conference virtually every year are over. However, the thought is that the best OU teams will be able to win the SEC a time or two a decade and as a result can win the playoff.
4) OU thinks that they will get a bump in recruiting and the extra money from the SEC contract will help them enhance the program enough to compete at the top of the SEC. It's clear that SEC fans don't take any bump into account.
And to the Aggie that claimed OU was Nebraska...
It's important to note that Nebraska came out of the Big XII and won their division in the Big Ten almost immediately. Bad coaching hires got them.
Same goes for Missouri and A&M in the SEC. They were pretty good when they first got there and then tailed off (with A&M surging back).
So it is fair to say that non of these teams got the "bump" that OU is expecting to get. But they ALL did pretty well upon their arrival and non of them were as good a program as OU is right now.
When nut cuttin'time we will obviously find out. However, there are a few things SEC fans need to consider.
1) OU has gotten smoked by the SEC champs in the playoff games but they are 6-1 against non-SEC champs over the last 20 years. So they should slot in easily in the top half of the conference regardless on arrival.
2) The idea that OU won't be able to handle SEC crowds. While SEC crowds are bigger, when OU plays on the road in the Big XII the hatred is white hot. There may only be 55K at Kansas State or 60K at ISU, or 70K in Stillwater, but rest assured that road crowds are loud and there is tons of intensity due to generations of fans who hate getting beat by OU. So OU will be more prepared than you might think. Ironically, in the SEC OU will be just another game for SEC fans.
3) Realistic OU fans realize that the days of winning the conference virtually every year are over. However, the thought is that the best OU teams will be able to win the SEC a time or two a decade and as a result can win the playoff.
4) OU thinks that they will get a bump in recruiting and the extra money from the SEC contract will help them enhance the program enough to compete at the top of the SEC. It's clear that SEC fans don't take any bump into account.
And to the Aggie that claimed OU was Nebraska...
It's important to note that Nebraska came out of the Big XII and won their division in the Big Ten almost immediately. Bad coaching hires got them.
Same goes for Missouri and A&M in the SEC. They were pretty good when they first got there and then tailed off (with A&M surging back).
So it is fair to say that non of these teams got the "bump" that OU is expecting to get. But they ALL did pretty well upon their arrival and non of them were as good a program as OU is right now.
Posted on 4/18/22 at 1:09 pm to Gunga Din
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1) OU has gotten smoked by the SEC champs in the playoff games but they are 6-1 against non-SEC champs over the last 20 years. So they should slot in easily in the top half of the conference regardless on arrival.
That's not necessarily the case. Before, they played some Texass 12 powderpuff team or worse before they played someone from the SEC. Now there's a good chance that they just got the hell beat out of them the week before by some SEC team, and have to play another bruiser the next week. Whole different scenario.
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2) The idea that OU won't be able to handle SEC crowds. While SEC crowds are bigger, when OU plays on the road in the Big XII the hatred is white hot. There may only be 55K at Kansas State or 60K at ISU, or 70K in Stillwater, but rest assured that road crowds are loud and there is tons of intensity due to generations of fans who hate getting beat by OU. So OU will be more prepared than you might think. Ironically, in the SEC OU will be just another game for SEC fans.
I think you and Oklahoma are both in for an education. Oklahoma is in for 4-5 Red River rivalry type games per year, but unlike Texass twats, who pipe down as soon as they are punched in the mouth, getting punched in the mouth is just the first indication for SEC fans that it's on.
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3) Realistic OU fans realize that the days of winning the conference virtually every year are over. However, the thought is that the best OU teams will be able to win the SEC a time or two a decade and as a result can win the playoff.
The real question is, how much will Oklahoma decide they need to cheat to compete in the SEC, and will the SEC let them get away with it. Face it, most of Oklahoma's success came when coaches were cheating their asses off.
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4) OU thinks that they will get a bump in recruiting and the extra money from the SEC contract will help them enhance the program enough to compete at the top of the SEC. It's clear that SEC fans don't take any bump into account.
They will certainly get a bump in money, since they have made themselves the Longhorn's bitch for years. The SEC shares pretty much equally. But on the recruiting front, Texass and Oklahoma are going to be worked like a $2 whore by the best recruiters in the country. If you think it was bad before, just wait.
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But they ALL did pretty well upon their arrival and non of them were as good a program as OU is right now.
In all honesty, Oklahoma is in disarray, at best right now. Venables may be great (I wanted him at Arkansas) but he could short circuit as a head coach. Time will tell, but the Peter Principle most definitely applies to college football coaches as well.
Posted on 4/18/22 at 1:14 pm to Zgeo
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SArk ( SEC coach Prepared by Saban ) was supposed to dominate last year but he found out playing a Big 12 schedule is much harder than he assumed. Sark lost to Kansas at home, lol...Sark finished 5-7. Sark barely beat KSU at home to break a 6 game conference losing streak in he last game of the season.
Espn pumps up the sec for obvious reasons. We are looking forward to being a beneficiary of the inflated ranking once we are in the SEC.....
Sark has never been an SEC coach. He's known as 7 win Sark for a reason.
Posted on 4/18/22 at 1:15 pm to Gunga Din
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1) OU has gotten smoked by the SEC champs in the playoff games but they are 6-1 against non-SEC champs over the last 20 years. So they should slot in easily in the top half of the conference regardless on arrival.
Yeah, your post season is now your regular season.
/thread.
Posted on 4/18/22 at 1:41 pm to Houag80
quote:The problem at Texas is not recruits, or even what is available on the lines. It isn't 5* recruits but many SEC teams compete with less. It is the entitlement that pervades every stone of that campus. And Sark is not the personality to fix those issues
Saban didn't prepare Sark for shite; and, unfortunately for Sark he went to a team whose previous two coaches left nothing in the trenches for him to work with.
No idea what Venables will do at OU - he's got the negative recruiting bit down
This post was edited on 4/18/22 at 1:44 pm
Posted on 4/18/22 at 1:48 pm to HogsOfWar
I would say Oklahoma's fate will be determined by how well they recruit the SEC footprint states. National recruiting doesn't mean anything, it is how you recruit relative to your SEC brethren. You can be top 15 nationally but be middle-of-the-pack in the SEC.
Their success is contingent on how the new coaching staff adapts to their program. Did Venables keep anyone already on staff there??
Is Venables going to be THE guy?? No way to know, right now.
Their success is contingent on how the new coaching staff adapts to their program. Did Venables keep anyone already on staff there??
Is Venables going to be THE guy?? No way to know, right now.
Posted on 4/18/22 at 1:51 pm to 3down10
I love how posters discount Brent Venables as some no name DC.
He won a Natty at OU. He won 2 Natties at Clemson. He turned down HC jobs because OU was the only one he’d accept. His kids were born in Norman. This is his dream job.
I think you will see evidence after this season. Keep in mind he hired staff from 2 SEC schools along with Clemson - so he has recruiters who know the territory including himself.
I suspect some sec fans are scared. They were hoping someday Saban would retire and they’d get their turn. I mean look how many opposing teams rooted for GA to beat Bama. They don’t want OU coming in taking a top 4 spot.
One last thing and it has to do with sec teams always bringing up playoff games (when most of posters mentioning would shite their pants just to make playoffs). The times OU played sec they were offense oriented. Week to week its hard to stop. But give a good team a month or tad longer to plan stopping a high octane offense and it can be done way easier. Its common knowledge that time favors defense over offense. Thus why sec had success vs OU in most playoffs. OU is changing to more balanced team under BV and that will be gone by time we get there. Plus no more month to prep for OU. Sec teams will lose the advantage they had over us.
In 2023 if we have not moved we play GA. Can’t wait for that game!
He won a Natty at OU. He won 2 Natties at Clemson. He turned down HC jobs because OU was the only one he’d accept. His kids were born in Norman. This is his dream job.
I think you will see evidence after this season. Keep in mind he hired staff from 2 SEC schools along with Clemson - so he has recruiters who know the territory including himself.
I suspect some sec fans are scared. They were hoping someday Saban would retire and they’d get their turn. I mean look how many opposing teams rooted for GA to beat Bama. They don’t want OU coming in taking a top 4 spot.
One last thing and it has to do with sec teams always bringing up playoff games (when most of posters mentioning would shite their pants just to make playoffs). The times OU played sec they were offense oriented. Week to week its hard to stop. But give a good team a month or tad longer to plan stopping a high octane offense and it can be done way easier. Its common knowledge that time favors defense over offense. Thus why sec had success vs OU in most playoffs. OU is changing to more balanced team under BV and that will be gone by time we get there. Plus no more month to prep for OU. Sec teams will lose the advantage they had over us.
In 2023 if we have not moved we play GA. Can’t wait for that game!
Posted on 4/18/22 at 1:53 pm to OU Guy
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I love how posters discount Brent Venables as some no name DC.
He won a Natty at OU. He won 2 Natties at Clemson. He turned down HC jobs because OU was the only one he’d accept. His kids were born in Norman. This is his dream job.
I think you will see evidence after this season. Keep in mind he hired staff from 2 SEC schools along with Clemson - so he has recruiters who know the territory including himself.
I suspect some sec fans are scared. They were hoping someday Saban would retire and they’d get their turn. I mean look how many opposing teams rooted for GA to beat Bama. They don’t want OU coming in taking a top 4 spot.
One last thing and it has to do with sec teams always bringing up playoff games (when most of posters mentioning would shite their pants just to make playoffs). The times OU played sec they were offense oriented. Week to week its hard to stop. But give a good team a month or tad longer to plan stopping a high octane offense and it can be done way easier. Its common knowledge that time favors defense over offense. Thus why sec had success vs OU in most playoffs. OU is changing to more balanced team under BV and that will be gone by time we get there. Plus no more month to prep for OU. Sec teams will lose the advantage they had over us.
In 2023 if we have not moved we play GA. Can’t wait for that game!
You didn't hire Venables as a DC.
He hasn't coached a single game, and yet you are claiming other teams are scared? Of what exactly? Because he hired some SEC staff?
This post was edited on 4/18/22 at 1:55 pm
Posted on 4/18/22 at 1:56 pm to 3down10
Nobody is remotely scared of the meth addicts
Posted on 4/18/22 at 1:57 pm to 3down10
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You didn't hire Venables as a DC
Trust me his stamp will be all over it. Lebby has O and Brent will have D.
When you get time go look at his coaching hires.
Posted on 4/18/22 at 2:06 pm to Oklahomey
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Oklahoma will be fine
Probably not.
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they’ll win an SEC title quicker than it is taking Arkansas to win one.
Probably so.
Posted on 4/18/22 at 2:11 pm to OU Guy
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You also won’t hear sec chants in our stadium either, thats for wanna be fans who have nothing else to cheer for than their rival teams.
Can't lie, it's fun to do it to teams that get chapped by the chant.
Walking out of Charlotte the UGA masses were hitting a solid SEC chant, and the Clemson fans were quite upset
Posted on 4/18/22 at 2:12 pm to AUreo
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2022’s toughest college football schedules, per FPI
1. Auburn Tigers
Its because yall play A&M at home
Lol I kid I kid
Posted on 4/18/22 at 2:33 pm to OU Guy
This is the OU arrogance that we know and love. Geezus man, you haven't played one game of one fricking season and you're declaring OU the new king.
Lol, the Texas trolling has stopped for the most part save a couple of braindead losers. I guess the new bitches are in town.
Good luck dickweed.
Lol, the Texas trolling has stopped for the most part save a couple of braindead losers. I guess the new bitches are in town.
Good luck dickweed.
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