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re: Why do we bother really?
Posted on 9/9/18 at 4:41 pm to Sunbeam
Posted on 9/9/18 at 4:41 pm to Sunbeam
It’s been this way forever. There’s just more publicity and more budgets put towards winning and like you said, the blue bloods will always run the field while everyone else hopes for a nice upset.
As a casual observer flipping through channels, there’s nothing better than catching that huge upset or wild ending but for the teams experiencing it, it’s a very finite moment. For the big teams getting beat, like you said, it’s also finite. Even if they have a down year or three, they will be right back in it.
But now - as opposed to the 20th century - you have websites devoted to studying and promoting smaller programs like Miss St and South Carolina. So instead of wanting to cheer your Alma mater and enjoy your traditions, you’ve been led to believe that you have a chance at having a championship season. Your coach is a hot name with an exorbitant salary. Like every other program in the Power 5. But if you really think about it, the same ole teams as always are getting the real top caliber recruiting classes and the resources to support their development.
So it would be better in my opinion to go back to the old system. Stop worrying so much about the Still-Mythical national championship. Try to position for bowls and play for pride and pageantry and tradition. That would be better.
As a casual observer flipping through channels, there’s nothing better than catching that huge upset or wild ending but for the teams experiencing it, it’s a very finite moment. For the big teams getting beat, like you said, it’s also finite. Even if they have a down year or three, they will be right back in it.
But now - as opposed to the 20th century - you have websites devoted to studying and promoting smaller programs like Miss St and South Carolina. So instead of wanting to cheer your Alma mater and enjoy your traditions, you’ve been led to believe that you have a chance at having a championship season. Your coach is a hot name with an exorbitant salary. Like every other program in the Power 5. But if you really think about it, the same ole teams as always are getting the real top caliber recruiting classes and the resources to support their development.
So it would be better in my opinion to go back to the old system. Stop worrying so much about the Still-Mythical national championship. Try to position for bowls and play for pride and pageantry and tradition. That would be better.
This post was edited on 9/9/18 at 4:43 pm
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Posted on 9/9/18 at 4:43 pm to Sunbeam
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Tennessee can probably do it too now, Middle Tennessee is putting out more talent every year. I'd put up a graph, but you know... graph.
Florida and Georgia produce enough talent for SC to succeed. Clemson did it, you can too. Buck up man, lots of teams gonna get their arse whipped by UGA this year, our OL is absurd. And we’ve got speed every where. It won’t be like that every year.
Posted on 9/9/18 at 4:44 pm to SCLibertarian
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The system, as it exists now, has created so many bowl games that going to one has become meaningless. Consequently, if you're not in the playoff or a conference championship, it isn't a success.
You mean to tell me that if you guys ever went to a major Bowl and actually won it that you wounldn't be thrilled?
Posted on 9/9/18 at 4:46 pm to Sunbeam
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And they continually keep raising the price of everything associated with college football so the school can build more stupid shite like "football operations centers," or "learning centers."
Just got access to this sh#$Show, but this is true. I am taking a family to a game and it is costing me $500 - a grand...... ridiculous.
As for SC, I am sure you will be glued to the next game and win you beat a big team, you will be back in business.
Posted on 9/9/18 at 4:47 pm to StringedInstruments
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So it would be better in my opinion to go back to the old system. Stop worrying so much about the Still-Mythical national championship. Try to position for bowls and play for pride and pageantry and tradition. That would be better. This post was edited on 9/9 at 4:43 pm
I miss watching Football on NYD not knowing who would be the champ. Talking pre bowl coalition when you could have 3 or 4 games that could decide it if it was ever “settled”.
Posted on 9/9/18 at 4:47 pm to Sunbeam
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What I'm driving at is this whole playoff system took all the charm out of it.
Saban tried to warn folks that the playoffs would make bowls more meaningless than they already were.
This post was edited on 9/9/18 at 4:48 pm
Posted on 9/9/18 at 4:49 pm to CU_Tigers4life
I'm saying that winning a Sugar Bowl or a Peach Bowl 20-30 years ago meant a whole helluva lot more then than it does now. Look at Auburn last year. They beat the two playoff finalists and were disappointed to play in a Big 6 bowl game.
Posted on 9/9/18 at 4:51 pm to Old Hellen Yeller
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Old Hellen Yeller
Just out of curiosity, what does your name mean? I get the Old Yeller and Helen Keller references, but am puzzled by what joke is involved in combining them.
Posted on 9/9/18 at 4:52 pm to CU_Tigers4life
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You mean to tell me that if you guys ever went to a major Bowl and actually won it that you wounldn't be thrilled?
What's a major bowl anymore?
I'd love to go to the Sugar or Orange for nostalgia's sake, but aside from that there is only driving distance, and the swag the players get from the bowl.
Oh, and not experiencing an Ice Age in Birmingham.
There really is no difference between the Outback, Peach, Music City, Gator, or Citrus Bowls anymore.
Really it's more important who you get matched up with, as opposed to which bowl it is.
Or the Jerry Bowl in Texas or the Fiesta (though we'll never get sent there).
Posted on 9/9/18 at 5:00 pm to SCLibertarian
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I'm saying that winning a Sugar Bowl or a Peach Bowl 20-30 years ago meant a whole helluva lot more then than it does now. Look at Auburn last year. They beat the two playoff finalists and were disappointed to play in a Big 6 bowl game.
Auburn is a bad example. Yea it’s a let down when you’re so close but don’t get it.
Posted on 9/9/18 at 5:01 pm to Sunbeam
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What I'm driving at is this whole playoff system took all the charm out of it.
A whole lot of people convinced themselves that naming a champion was the most important thing when that's never been what college football is about.
Posted on 9/9/18 at 5:01 pm to CU_Tigers4life
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College Football has gained a whole lot more than it has lost...I'll agree that the system needs to do some things to make winning your conference a meaningful metric when deciding teams that make the playoffs...I would like to see Independent schools like Notre Dame be required to play a 13 game schedule to match conference champs that have to play a 13th game...
Know what's really bad? I'd wager that if Saban or Dabo had the option of opting out of playing the conference championship game, they would, most years at least.
Posted on 9/9/18 at 5:04 pm to Sunbeam
Dude, if Clemson can become a national power then South Carolina can certainly do the same. Geographically, there's very little difference in access to recruiting grounds and it's not like Carolina has never experienced an 11 win season. Y'all just hit an unsustainable stride with Spurrier due to his age and are having to rebuild a little to get back to competitive.
If Washington, Clemson, Michigan State, Oregon, these traditionally mid-tier teams can make the CFP then it is certainly possible for other programs.
For the sake of argument, here are the teams that have made the CFP since it started:
Alabama (x4)
Clemson (x3)
Ohio State (x2)
Oklahoma (x2)
Georgia
Oregon
FSU
Michigan St
Washington
That's a decent spread of teams in only 4 years
If Washington, Clemson, Michigan State, Oregon, these traditionally mid-tier teams can make the CFP then it is certainly possible for other programs.
For the sake of argument, here are the teams that have made the CFP since it started:
Alabama (x4)
Clemson (x3)
Ohio State (x2)
Oklahoma (x2)
Georgia
Oregon
FSU
Michigan St
Washington
That's a decent spread of teams in only 4 years
This post was edited on 9/9/18 at 5:05 pm
Posted on 9/9/18 at 5:05 pm to Sunbeam
Bama owns everyone in the SEC. we could out coach the shite out of Bama when we play them this year and still lose by 90 because they have put more money into their football program to get the best players possible out of high school. We simply don’t have the athletes to compete with a team stack to the brim with 5stars like that. Their players across the board are bigger, faster, and stronger than ours. They will ware us down up front within the first quarter with their speed and size. Bama’s second team would beat our starters by 20.
Hate to say it, but we don’t live in a perfect world where everyone is equally gifted in terms of talent and size. The schools with more money get the best athletes. That’s just how it is.
Hate to say it, but we don’t live in a perfect world where everyone is equally gifted in terms of talent and size. The schools with more money get the best athletes. That’s just how it is.
This post was edited on 9/9/18 at 5:07 pm
Posted on 9/9/18 at 5:05 pm to Sunbeam
Clemson could have written this same thing 10 years ago.
Posted on 9/9/18 at 5:06 pm to Sunbeam
The playoffs suck, no doubt but I hope you just now aren't realizing that CFB is the most slanted playing field in all of sports.
Parity simply isn't a consideration
Parity simply isn't a consideration
Posted on 9/9/18 at 5:08 pm to Sunbeam
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What got me though was watching the game yesterday and an announcer casually mentioning Georgia had like seven 5 Stars in their upcoming recruiting class.
I think it's much easier to accurately scout high schoolers now. That's going to reduce parity. Not that college football has ever had much parity.
Players don't have as much local loyalty as they used to either. You can blame that on this being a "soft generation", but when schools are willing to sacrifice over a hundred years of tradition for a paycheck or because their feelings got hurt (Texas A&M, Mizzou, Nebraska, etc.), it's hard to blame all the high schoolers for just going to the programs with the most prestige.
I don't believe that Syracuse will ever replicate their 90s football success in the ACC. Any good New York player will just look for greener pastures, and why wouldn't they when Syracuse offers no interesting regional opponents on the schedule?
The whole reason the Big East was so good at basketball in the 80s was that it kept all the great East coast players at home by selling them on playing huge games against teams and players also from their area.
This post was edited on 9/9/18 at 5:11 pm
Posted on 9/9/18 at 5:08 pm to Sunbeam
Take the games one at a time and don’t worry about all the other BS. If you win every game, your team has done all it can do. Every thing else is subjective baloney, just like it’s always been.
Posted on 9/9/18 at 5:10 pm to tylerdurden24
Look I'm a Gamecock, so anything I say about Clemson is sour grapes, at least how people will take it.
But Clemson's current success isn't sustainable really.
Put Saban, or I guess Smart now, at Miami or FSU and their path through the ACC gets a whole lot tougher.
Plus it will be a lot harder to pull big names out of Florida than it has been for them.
But Clemson's current success isn't sustainable really.
Put Saban, or I guess Smart now, at Miami or FSU and their path through the ACC gets a whole lot tougher.
Plus it will be a lot harder to pull big names out of Florida than it has been for them.
Posted on 9/9/18 at 5:11 pm to Sunbeam
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Know what's really bad? I'd wager that if Saban or Dabo had the option of opting out of playing the conference championship game, they would, most years at least.
I would hope not, but that could be the case and I think most fans would be totally against that.
I do think there are some things that could really make winning the conference meaningful....Things like ending divisional play and take to the 2 best teams of each P5 conference (even if they have played once in the season) to determine the conference champion....Each league will usually have at least a couple of good teams to make a conference title game significant....These conference title games will essential be a quarter-final Playoff round...The 5 conference Champs and any independent that has played a 13 games schedule can be part of the selection committee's final decision.
As for your situation with Carolina, I think winning the SEC and getting into bigger Bowls is a needed first step. Your recruiting will be better and the fans will be happier...going to a bunch of mid level bowls is what gets old...Trust me, breaking into the next level will change your perspective and your fan bases perspective on what matters in College football
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