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Why do college football/basketball players feel they are so deserving to be paid?
Posted on 3/14/18 at 11:41 am
Posted on 3/14/18 at 11:41 am
They are paid. It comes in the form of tuition, training, platform, facilities, etc... just not cash (which is probably for the best)
Every time I hear some ESPN Anal-yst go on and on about the "underprivileged and taken advantage of college athletes" who absolutely deserve to be paid, I nearly lose my mind.
How are these athletes, specifically football and basketball players being victimized? First of all; they're in an academic institution that they 1) likely wouldn't have qualified for academically without members of the university pulling strings to get some of them qualified and 2) absolutely could not afford it otherwise.
They're getting free tuition, a meal plan, lots and lots of free gear, world class training facilities and coaches, and exposure/opportunity & a platform to make tens of millions in the NFL or in any other business venture they choose. All that has to be valued at upwards of a couple hundred thousand dollars when considering the cost over a 4 year span... all to play a sport. No loans, no tuition, most of them barely go to class, all the vag they can handle, and it's all to play a sport that they supposedly love... then they want to be paid on top of that? I don't see the argument.
How am I supposed to believe that many of these kids can't pay for food whenever Bama players are posting on Instagram with new cars and loads of cash or nearly every single player in the country covered in thousands of dollars worth of tattoos from head to toe?
Bring back NCAA football and STFU
Every time I hear some ESPN Anal-yst go on and on about the "underprivileged and taken advantage of college athletes" who absolutely deserve to be paid, I nearly lose my mind.
How are these athletes, specifically football and basketball players being victimized? First of all; they're in an academic institution that they 1) likely wouldn't have qualified for academically without members of the university pulling strings to get some of them qualified and 2) absolutely could not afford it otherwise.
They're getting free tuition, a meal plan, lots and lots of free gear, world class training facilities and coaches, and exposure/opportunity & a platform to make tens of millions in the NFL or in any other business venture they choose. All that has to be valued at upwards of a couple hundred thousand dollars when considering the cost over a 4 year span... all to play a sport. No loans, no tuition, most of them barely go to class, all the vag they can handle, and it's all to play a sport that they supposedly love... then they want to be paid on top of that? I don't see the argument.
How am I supposed to believe that many of these kids can't pay for food whenever Bama players are posting on Instagram with new cars and loads of cash or nearly every single player in the country covered in thousands of dollars worth of tattoos from head to toe?
Bring back NCAA football and STFU
This post was edited on 3/14/18 at 11:45 am
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Posted on 3/14/18 at 11:51 am to TDcline
if you can give me a rational reason why any adult should not be able to profit off of their own likeness in a capitalist driven society while another institution makes billions off of them, i'd love it
Posted on 3/14/18 at 11:52 am to TDcline
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underprivileged and taken advantage of college athletes
Well Cam Newton only was paid $180k + tuition while Gene Chizik was paid in excess of $15mil by AU during his tenure
The university has made a lot of money off Cam while putting him in a place with no bargaining power to get a larger share
This post was edited on 3/14/18 at 11:53 am
Posted on 3/14/18 at 11:53 am to Quicksilver
I believe OP's point is that they are profiting, however they are directly spending that profit on an education, room and board, meals, training, etc.
This post was edited on 3/14/18 at 11:53 am
Posted on 3/14/18 at 11:55 am to Quicksilver
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if you can give me a rational reason why any adult should not be able to profit off of their own likeness in a capitalist driven society while another institution makes billions off of them, i'd love it
They absolutely could. The problem is that they're not doing it off their own likeness, they have the platform of a major university in a college sports organization.
If we're talking about just a bunch of dudes going to toss a football to one another in a random field somewhere where people are paying hundreds of dollars to go see it, then absolutely they can keep all they money they want... Not when they have the university/NCAAF branding behind them.
Posted on 3/14/18 at 11:58 am to TDcline
Posted on 3/14/18 at 11:58 am to TDcline
Everyone is entitled now days.
Posted on 3/14/18 at 12:00 pm to TDcline
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Not when they have the university/NCAAF branding behind them
This is the dumbest F'ing argument thus far
Michael Jordan leveraged the NBA/Bulls branding to build his endorsement empire. If Michael Jordan just played pickup games in the park he never would have capitalized as he did.
They don't have the right to use University branding but that's not what is being argued
Hell even Tim Tebow is leveraging his UF/CFB playing days for his regions commercials. He sure AF isn't being paid for washing out of the NFL w a 50% comp
This post was edited on 3/14/18 at 12:02 pm
Posted on 3/14/18 at 12:04 pm to TDcline
Do you hate capitalism?
Posted on 3/14/18 at 12:08 pm to TDcline
The biggest issue with allowing student athletes to profit on play is it opens up a huge can of worms that needs heavy regulation if it's to work, and we all know the NCAA cant handle what currently goes on as is...so why would expect they could actually handle that?
Also, it would just be the death of the smaller schools, goodnight CFB programs 50-128. you're completely irrelevant now.
A free education, food, room and board + supplies AND stipend (that makes no sense as it is) is plenty. The pros are there to make money.
Also, it would just be the death of the smaller schools, goodnight CFB programs 50-128. you're completely irrelevant now.
A free education, food, room and board + supplies AND stipend (that makes no sense as it is) is plenty. The pros are there to make money.
Posted on 3/14/18 at 12:08 pm to GatorsGators
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Do you hate capitalism?
Clearly not as much as he hates America and the hard working citizen athletes getting exploited to pay Gene Chiziks buyout
Posted on 3/14/18 at 12:12 pm to TDcline
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Why do college football/basketball players feel they are so deserving to be paid?
#1 Because they have fat little girlfriends
#2 Because they have groupies that feed off them
#3 Because you have agents and lawyers that feed off them
The list could go on.
The main reason I have a problem paying players is it creates a "divisible" cash component that will create undue influence on the decision making process of young men and women.
Cash is divisible and can be split among GF's, drug dealers, and other social remoras
College Degree is indivisible and can not be split off to others
If I had control of the NCAA this is what I would do
#1 Require kids to stay at least 3 years or no college at all
#2 Give them no cash that others can get ahold of
#3 Create a nationwide insurance system for kids if they get hurt (funded by NCAA profits)
#4 Require kids pass a class as requirement of graduation on money management and social responsibility
#5 Allow kids to come back and finish their degree anytime (even the ones that get hurt)
#6 All scholarships are for at least 4 years and no pulling it anytime as long as the kids are going to classes
#7 If you play you have access to a fund (run by NCAA) to give you residual payments after you have attained a degree from a 4 year college or university (and not one of the online diploma mills either)
Posted on 3/14/18 at 12:12 pm to Quicksilver
quote:This is such a stupid statement that often gets used. You think the player would get the same national recognition if he went to a no-name school? He wouldn’t. And to say the university makes billions off of them is laughable. Most athletic programs don’t turn a profit. Now, if you want to make football a separate entity there’s hope for that, but at that point you are removing all association with this being a kid who is also pursuing a degree. By that mindset, you should be hoping for a semi-pro league and not expect kids to get a college degree.
if you can give me a rational reason why any adult should not be able to profit off of their own likeness in a capitalist driven society while another institution makes billions off of them, i'd love it
Posted on 3/14/18 at 12:17 pm to CaptainPanic
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This is such a stupid statement that often gets used. You think the player would get the same national recognition if he went to a no-name school? He wouldn’t. And to say the university makes billions off of them is laughable. Most athletic programs don’t turn a profit. Now, if you want to make football a separate entity there’s hope for that, but at that point you are removing all association with this being a kid who is also pursuing a degree. By that mindset, you should be hoping for a semi-pro league and not expect kids to get a college degree.
I tried explaining this to him. Dumbass then told me that branding wasn't a major factor and it was a dumb argument.
Posted on 3/14/18 at 12:18 pm to CaptainPanic
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You think the player would get the same national recognition if he went to a no-name school?
What does national name recognition matter? Nike has known who Deandre Ayton was and that he would likely be a pro basketball player since he was 15. Why shouldn't Deandre Ayton be able to sign a shoe contract with them if they offer it?
This post was edited on 3/14/18 at 12:19 pm
Posted on 3/14/18 at 12:30 pm to Quicksilver
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another institution makes billions off of them, i'd love it
His point is legit. Most if not all would not be physically ready to play in the NFL or NBA out of HS. They get coaching and training they would not be able to afford otherwise, and a chance for a free education, if they are smart enough to take advantage of it. In a true capitalist driven society most of the kids would not get paid at all. Think of the bench players that rarely, if ever get into a game.
This post was edited on 3/14/18 at 12:37 pm
Posted on 3/14/18 at 12:30 pm to Cheese Grits
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if you can give me a rational reason why any adult should not be able to profit off of their own likeness in a capitalist driven society while another institution makes billions off of them, i'd love it
I've got no problem with a player being able to sit at autograph or memorabilia signings and profiting off of his name only. However, the universities and the NCAA shouldn't be paying players because that's not their job. This narrative of the poor scholarship athlete and how they're exploited is BS. These athletes are treated incredibly well, speaking as a former full scholarship baseball player who didn't get treated nearly as well as football and basketball players do.
The NCAA shouldn't be allowed to profit off of a player's name. That crap needs to end.
Posted on 3/14/18 at 12:34 pm to TDcline
Why do grown men feel that high school boys from their state are obligated to go to their school?
Why do grown men pay to stay updated on teenage boys, but none of that money goes to the recruits?
Why do grown men pay to stay updated on teenage boys, but none of that money goes to the recruits?
Posted on 3/14/18 at 12:35 pm to TDcline
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Why do college football/basketball players feel they are so deserving to be paid? by TDcline
How far back do we want to go?
The root of the problem is that we fans place way too much importance on college sports and spend far, far too much money on them. It's only natural for the players, the faces of the program,to feel a greater sense of importance and a desire for compensation.
If we want to discuss whether the NCAA rules are unfair and unnecessary, then that's another discussion
Posted on 3/14/18 at 12:37 pm to TDcline
They're the biggest contributors to the universities being able to rake in millions of dollars, and they only receive a paltry fraction of it.
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