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re: Why can't Arkansas be a football powerhouse?
Posted on 11/12/21 at 11:21 am to V Bainbridge
Posted on 11/12/21 at 11:21 am to V Bainbridge
Just fishing for Golfer1. I’ll throw you back in the pond.
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Posted on 11/12/21 at 11:22 am to BigDane
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Damn dog! How you gonna diss your mama?!
I'm not sure if it's worse that you're quoting an ICP song, or that I recognize the ICP song.
Posted on 11/12/21 at 12:07 pm to panhandlebama
Teams that have sucked for years will continue to suck.
Posted on 11/12/21 at 12:12 pm to gohogs141
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But other programs like Oregon and Wisconsin are able to field really good teams despite not having great in-state talent either so there is proof that it can be overcome.
It's tough to sustain that type of program, though (see: Nebraska). Oregon does it by having Nike as a sugar daddy, they were an afterthought program before the Nike money. Wisconsin is an anomaly. If you look at their recruiting class rankings, they are typically between about 25th-45th nationally and in the middle of the Big Ten. I think you have to chalk their success up to a mixture of running an excellent program and benefiting from playing in the pitiful Big Ten West Division.
Posted on 11/12/21 at 12:18 pm to panhandlebama
Because they will never be as good as Alabama. And it you aren't as good as Bama, where does that leave you?
Posted on 11/12/21 at 12:18 pm to MizzouTrue
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It’s just different playing against teams like Rice, TCU, SMU, and having the big game against Texas and maybe A&M (or 80s SMU). And typically Texas wasn’t as good as Alabama or Oklahoma/Nebraska
Texas won 3 national titles in the 60s and another in 1970 bud. Oklahoma was a little down in the 60s, but had their 50+ game winning streak through the 59 season.
The old Southwest conference had Arkansas, Texas, A&M, Oklahoma, Oklahoma St, Baylor, Rice, and SMU. It was a much smaller conference, but that's not much different proportionally than the SEC now with good programs to less than good programs
From 1959-1970, and remember the regular season was 10 games back then, Arkansas had one undefeated season at 11-0, 2 10-1 seasons, and 4 9-2 seasons.
This post was edited on 11/12/21 at 12:28 pm
Posted on 11/12/21 at 12:28 pm to Poker_hog
Arkansas lost their recruiting pipelines to Texas.
That could be coming back but let’s be honest outside of a few years in the ‘60s they were never relevant on the national scene.
That could be coming back but let’s be honest outside of a few years in the ‘60s they were never relevant on the national scene.
Posted on 11/12/21 at 12:28 pm to panhandlebama
They don’t produce in state talent. They’ll never be a championship contender, especially with Texas, A&M, and Oklahoma now in the SEC.
Posted on 11/12/21 at 12:33 pm to V Bainbridge
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Ark/Texas was one of the biggest games of the year in the 60s and we absolutely were a powerhouse then. The "Game of the Century" term was coined from the 69 matchup.
Yeah that was a brutal game for you guys. Kind of like the 1982 Cotton Bowl where Texas beat Bama 14-12.
Posted on 11/12/21 at 12:40 pm to panhandlebama
Arkansas probably can never match their success during the 1960s segregated era but they were still really good during the 1970s and 1980s during the first couple of decades of integration.
While the loss of exposure in Texas probably hurt Arkansas in recruiting you would think the appeal of being in the SEC would have counterbalanced that to some degree.
So in the modern era it probably boils down to a good and stable coaching situation to get them to a consistent 8-4 and 9-3 type level.
While the loss of exposure in Texas probably hurt Arkansas in recruiting you would think the appeal of being in the SEC would have counterbalanced that to some degree.
So in the modern era it probably boils down to a good and stable coaching situation to get them to a consistent 8-4 and 9-3 type level.
Posted on 11/12/21 at 12:40 pm to lsufball19
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Oklahoma, Oklahoma St
These teams left the SWC in 1919 and 1925 respectively. They were Big 8 teams for a much longer period of time.
Posted on 11/12/21 at 12:42 pm to panhandlebama
There’s not that many of us. We only pump out enough talent to fill about a third of an upper echelon SEC roster. That means about two thirds of our roster HAS to come from out of state. Even with a staff that recruits well, we’re generally gonna settle on at least half of those guys.
In a situation like 2016-2019 where we go through a dry spell with the instate pool and our staff does a poor job of evaluating/developing talent, we’re completely screwed. We need the in state talent to be on the high end of the range and we need a staff that does a good job with what it has. On the other hand, LSU can lose half of its best in state guys, have a moron for a coach and still field a very talented team.
In a situation like 2016-2019 where we go through a dry spell with the instate pool and our staff does a poor job of evaluating/developing talent, we’re completely screwed. We need the in state talent to be on the high end of the range and we need a staff that does a good job with what it has. On the other hand, LSU can lose half of its best in state guys, have a moron for a coach and still field a very talented team.
This post was edited on 11/12/21 at 12:44 pm
Posted on 11/12/21 at 12:43 pm to panhandlebama
They've had too many years of being awful due to them hiring Jeff Long as AD.
They're happy now just to win 5 or 6 games per year.
They're happy now just to win 5 or 6 games per year.
Posted on 11/12/21 at 1:09 pm to panhandlebama
They could still be very competitive. All it takes is an amazing coaching staff, some big TX linemen, and a talented bunch, think Mustain/McFadden/Jones/Hillis/Monk
Posted on 11/12/21 at 1:14 pm to V Bainbridge
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Game of the Century" term was coined from the 69 matchup.
Pretty sure it was 1966 Michigan State and Notre Dame.
Posted on 11/12/21 at 1:20 pm to TigerintheNO
Seems like we abandoned recruiting Texas and Oklahoma from Petrino to Morris.
Posted on 11/12/21 at 1:21 pm to CapstoneGrad06
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Pretty sure it was 1966 Michigan State and Notre Dame.
There is no doubt that Michigan State and Notre Dame was where the phrase was "coined". But the Texas Arkansas game was a better game. In reality though '71 Oklahoma and Nebraska was probably the actual "Game of the Century" as far as the quality of the game and the teams that were playing in it.
Posted on 11/12/21 at 1:26 pm to panhandlebama
Location. It's a tough sell to convince these OOS kids to go to Arkansas, and the in-state options that are elite tend to go elsewhere
Posted on 11/12/21 at 1:44 pm to CapstoneGrad06
1935 Ohio State vs Notre Dame
1945 Army vs Navy
1946 Army vs Notre Dame
These were all dubbed “Game of the Century”
1945 Army vs Navy
1946 Army vs Notre Dame
These were all dubbed “Game of the Century”
This post was edited on 11/12/21 at 1:46 pm
Posted on 11/12/21 at 1:51 pm to panhandlebama
A&M destroyed their program when they made the trip over
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