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Who will last longer in the NFL, Young or Nix?
Posted on 9/18/24 at 3:33 am
Posted on 9/18/24 at 3:33 am
This article on Young is pretty spot on. With what we've seen with guys like Love and Rodgers with the Packers, the Falcons pick of Penix may have been a smart move.
Playing some of these guys early with terrible offensive rosters is killing them and removing any chance for them to truly see growth.
Bryce Young
I was never sold on Nix, but I can't think Denver's team situation is good for him.
But Young is missing throws he clearly could make with ease at Bama. He faced pressure there as Bama's Oline wasn't nearly as good as it was with Jones and Tua. So I don't think it's just facing NFL defenses. The windows are tighter, but he had pinpoint accuracy at Bama. Better than Tua's or Mac's.
Playing some of these guys early with terrible offensive rosters is killing them and removing any chance for them to truly see growth.
Bryce Young
I was never sold on Nix, but I can't think Denver's team situation is good for him.
But Young is missing throws he clearly could make with ease at Bama. He faced pressure there as Bama's Oline wasn't nearly as good as it was with Jones and Tua. So I don't think it's just facing NFL defenses. The windows are tighter, but he had pinpoint accuracy at Bama. Better than Tua's or Mac's.
This post was edited on 9/18/24 at 3:35 am
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Posted on 9/18/24 at 3:39 am to koreandawg
It’s hard to judge him because the Panthers are such a terrible organization top to bottom. Take a look at Sam Darnold. He looks like a different cat out there with Vikes.
Posted on 9/18/24 at 6:39 am to koreandawg
My eyes tell me that Young is much much better than Nix as a QB because he has shown the ability to complete passes intermediate and downfield.
But then I watch Young in the NFL and he looks like a different guy all together. I can’t explain it.
I think they are both coaching high school football in 2028.
But then I watch Young in the NFL and he looks like a different guy all together. I can’t explain it.
I think they are both coaching high school football in 2028.
Posted on 9/18/24 at 7:01 am to SECdragonmaster
Young played behind Bama’s OL and was throwing to Bama’s WRs, and both groups were far and away above their competition.
Look what happened when UGA put pressure on him in the national championship game.
He doesn’t have the Bama advantage in the NFL.
All of the above could be applied to Mac Jones as well.
Look what happened when UGA put pressure on him in the national championship game.
He doesn’t have the Bama advantage in the NFL.
All of the above could be applied to Mac Jones as well.
Posted on 9/18/24 at 7:10 am to New Money
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Look what happened when UGA put pressure on him in the national championship game.
He threw for over 300 yards and a td and without his two best wrs.
Posted on 9/18/24 at 7:58 am to koreandawg
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He threw for over 300 yards and a td and without his two best wrs.
zing
Posted on 9/18/24 at 8:00 am to koreandawg
I think Young will go somewhere else and stick similar to every quarterback that comes out of Carolina
Posted on 9/18/24 at 8:01 am to SECdragonmaster
quote:Not sure folks understand how much faster the game is for QB’s at the NFL level. Even a slight disadvantage becomes a major hindrance.
But then I watch Young in the NFL and he looks like a different guy all together. I can’t explain it.
Posted on 9/18/24 at 8:24 am to New Money
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Young played behind Bama’s OL and was throwing to Bama’s WRs, and both groups were far and away above their competition.
This is the simple answer. He’s literally the size of the average fan sitting in the stands and doesn’t have an elite arm. One could even argue that he has a below average arm. Bama had a stockpile of the best offensive lineman and they hid all of his inadequacies. Most colleges know well enough to pass on that average-Joe high school quarterback despite him being on the 5A state championship team and lighting it up all year. They know well enough to look at his merits independently and discount the tape when he’s clearly taking advantage of surrounding talent. It’s no real knock on young, it’s just the fact that the panthers didn’t have the front office maturity of a normal college program. That should be staggering to people. and people can argue about how bad the panthers surrounding talent is but I would argue that outside of being inserted in a *perfect* scenario (e.g., somehow being drafted to the chiefs and taking over for an injured Mahomes), young was simply never a legitimate nfl prospect. Panthers front office is a mess.
Posted on 9/18/24 at 8:41 am to koreandawg
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He threw for over 300 yards and a td and without his two best wrs.
He also had 57 passing attempts
Posted on 9/18/24 at 8:49 am to koreandawg
It's almost nonsensical to try and point at a single Panthers player and say it's their fault. They are a catastrophe of a franchise.
Posted on 9/18/24 at 8:57 am to koreandawg
What does this have to do with the SEC?
Posted on 9/18/24 at 9:10 am to New Money
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Young played behind Bama’s OL and was throwing to Bama’s WRs, and both groups were far and away above their competition.
Alabama's OL and WRs were not special at all in 2022. Bryce was pressured often and his WRs were all freshmen/sophomores with no superstars. It was probably the least talented offense outside of the QB of the 2nd half of the Saban era, and the OC was not creative at all in scheming around it. It was actually even worse than that, he insisted on running Patriots WR option route based offense that required the WRs and QBs to read the defense the same way ala Brady/Edellman. Safe to say that freshmen WR were totally incapable of that.
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Look what happened when UGA put pressure on him in the national championship game.
Bryce was #11 out of 197 QBs in college football in 2021 under pressure.
80/168 (48%)
1,320 yards (7.9 YPA)
17 TDs
3 INTs
Bryce was #14 out of 195 QBs in college football in 2022 under pressure.
51/110 (46%)
1,019 yards (9.3 YPA)
9 TDs
3 INTs
Any suggestion that he crumbled under pressure in college is silly.
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All of the above could be applied to Mac Jones as well.
This is absolutely true, because Mac was playing with an NFL roster on offense (even if some of the OL weren't great in the NFL) - Leatherwood, Dickerson, Neal on OL, Najee/Robinson at RB, Metchie, DeVonta, Waddle at WR. He also had one of the best playcallers in football dialing things up (Sark).
Bryce's cast wasn't even remotely close to that level (from coach on down).
Bryce is historically short for an NFL QB, and it makes it very difficult to complete "easy" NFL throws like crossers. That was always a major sticking point with him because it took away one of the things an accurate thrower like him should theoretically have in their back pocket to get some easy yards (and it was an issue at Alabama too, which is why he did a whole lot of jumping out of the pocket). Then throw in that he has a bottom 5 OL and WR room with that, and it all crumbled.
I think he can still be an NFL QB in the right system, but he's going to be very dependent on system and fit. And I don't think his ceiling is particularly high.
This post was edited on 9/18/24 at 9:17 am
Posted on 9/18/24 at 10:15 am to koreandawg
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He threw for over 300 yards and a td and without his two best wrs.
On about 57 throws. Hardly a great performance at all
Posted on 9/19/24 at 9:33 am to Dynamite99
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On about 57 throws. Hardly a great performance at all
It was the second best performance against that defense by far that year. Guess which was best?
Posted on 9/19/24 at 9:49 am to koreandawg
The Panthers may be the worst organization in the NFL. It wasn’t much better when Cam Newton arrived. Newton’s advantage was that he could physical overcome his team’s deficiencies. Newton would have been more successful in most other organizations.
Posted on 9/19/24 at 10:02 am to RelentlessTide
what about stetson bennett
Manziel flamed out pretty fast
Manziel flamed out pretty fast
Posted on 9/19/24 at 10:04 am to koreandawg
The Panthers are an absolute horseshite organization from their GM to their players.
I think Young would be legit on any other team.
I think Young would be legit on any other team.
This post was edited on 9/19/24 at 10:05 am
Posted on 9/19/24 at 4:06 pm to koreandawg
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It was the second best performance against that defense by far that year. Guess which was best?
1. Tell me the best QB they played aside from young.
2. Tell me what the difference was between the first matchup and the second matchup. There was a key player who got hurt in the second one
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