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Posted on 2/24/17 at 11:23 am
Posted on 2/24/17 at 11:23 am
from an Ole Miss friend:
If what i'm understanding and hearing is correct here are some incredible things Hugh Freeze did:
- We fire a womens basketball coach in 2011 because there was academic stuff going on so the NCAA showed up on campus to investigate.
- The NCAA begins investigating ACT fraud with past members of Houston Nutts staff involved
- The NCAA finds out that Derrick Nix (current Ole Miss RB coach Derrick Nix) arranged for impermissible housing, meals and transportation in 2010 when he was on Houston Nutts staff
- Hugh Freeze keeps Derrick Nix on staff, never suspends him, and Ole Miss refutes this charge
- Ole Miss signs great class in 2013
- Hugh Freeze essentially says come at me NCAA on twitter
- NCAA comes at Hugh Freeze
- Hugh Freeze steers Laremy Tunsil away from an agent who was giving him at the least a burner phone and at the most straight cash to sign with him in the future and toward his own agent Jimmy Sexton
- Laremy Tunsil gets in fight with stepdad when he tells stepdad he ain't giving him a dollar of future money and not going with the agent the stepdad had made promises to.
- Hugh Freeze calls out step dad publicly making the dude super pissed and very motivated
- Lindsey Miller (stepdad) essentially unloads anything and everything he knows (and a whole bunch of stuff the NCAA can never corroborate) about Laremy's recruitment and time at Ole Miss
- NCAA starts asking around about a loaner car Laremy Tunsil was using from Cannon Motors
- Hugh Freeze and the administration encourage Cannon Motors to hand over documentation of the loaner cars instead of telling the NCAA to eat a dick
- NCAA alleges booster provided four recruits with a slew of impermissible benefits: free transportation, free meals, phone bills, clothing, etc. Current assistant coach Maurice Harris was not only aware of this, but helped arrange the benefits for two of the recruits.
- Hugh Freeze doesn't fire or at least suspend Maurice Harris
- Lindsey Miller alleges other level 1 violations such as free lodging and $800 handshakes that Ole Miss and Hugh Freeze mindnumbingly never challenge and accepts happened
-NCAA issues first (at the time it appeared to be the only) NOA in early 2016
- Because Hugh Freeze is an idiot on draft night the spurned agent releases the text convo from Laremy to Barney Farrar saying he needed money
- Because Hugh Freeze steered Laremy Tunsil to Jimmy Sexton, and because Sexton let Laremy have a press conference after being drafted he admitted to taking money from coaches
- NCAA reopens investigation
-Hugh Freeze mindnumbingly doesn't fire or at least suspend Barney Farrar
-NCAA says well if you won't fire the guy we're going to dig into him you idiot
-NCAA issues immunity to Leo Lewis who signed with Mississippi State.
-Leo Lewis alleges Barney Farrar arranged for rides, free gear, food and arranged for him to meet with a booster who eventually give him $15,000
-Hugh Freeze fires Barney Farrar, in December 2016, 6 months after the draft night texts
- 2/22/2017 Hugh Freeze appears baffled why he's being hit with personal responsibility failure to monitor by the NCAA in awkward 20 minute video no one watches
But keep on blaming a 19 year old MSU player, who was only mentioned in 1 of the 15 LEVEL I VIOLATIONS.
If what i'm understanding and hearing is correct here are some incredible things Hugh Freeze did:
- We fire a womens basketball coach in 2011 because there was academic stuff going on so the NCAA showed up on campus to investigate.
- The NCAA begins investigating ACT fraud with past members of Houston Nutts staff involved
- The NCAA finds out that Derrick Nix (current Ole Miss RB coach Derrick Nix) arranged for impermissible housing, meals and transportation in 2010 when he was on Houston Nutts staff
- Hugh Freeze keeps Derrick Nix on staff, never suspends him, and Ole Miss refutes this charge
- Ole Miss signs great class in 2013
- Hugh Freeze essentially says come at me NCAA on twitter
- NCAA comes at Hugh Freeze
- Hugh Freeze steers Laremy Tunsil away from an agent who was giving him at the least a burner phone and at the most straight cash to sign with him in the future and toward his own agent Jimmy Sexton
- Laremy Tunsil gets in fight with stepdad when he tells stepdad he ain't giving him a dollar of future money and not going with the agent the stepdad had made promises to.
- Hugh Freeze calls out step dad publicly making the dude super pissed and very motivated
- Lindsey Miller (stepdad) essentially unloads anything and everything he knows (and a whole bunch of stuff the NCAA can never corroborate) about Laremy's recruitment and time at Ole Miss
- NCAA starts asking around about a loaner car Laremy Tunsil was using from Cannon Motors
- Hugh Freeze and the administration encourage Cannon Motors to hand over documentation of the loaner cars instead of telling the NCAA to eat a dick
- NCAA alleges booster provided four recruits with a slew of impermissible benefits: free transportation, free meals, phone bills, clothing, etc. Current assistant coach Maurice Harris was not only aware of this, but helped arrange the benefits for two of the recruits.
- Hugh Freeze doesn't fire or at least suspend Maurice Harris
- Lindsey Miller alleges other level 1 violations such as free lodging and $800 handshakes that Ole Miss and Hugh Freeze mindnumbingly never challenge and accepts happened
-NCAA issues first (at the time it appeared to be the only) NOA in early 2016
- Because Hugh Freeze is an idiot on draft night the spurned agent releases the text convo from Laremy to Barney Farrar saying he needed money
- Because Hugh Freeze steered Laremy Tunsil to Jimmy Sexton, and because Sexton let Laremy have a press conference after being drafted he admitted to taking money from coaches
- NCAA reopens investigation
-Hugh Freeze mindnumbingly doesn't fire or at least suspend Barney Farrar
-NCAA says well if you won't fire the guy we're going to dig into him you idiot
-NCAA issues immunity to Leo Lewis who signed with Mississippi State.
-Leo Lewis alleges Barney Farrar arranged for rides, free gear, food and arranged for him to meet with a booster who eventually give him $15,000
-Hugh Freeze fires Barney Farrar, in December 2016, 6 months after the draft night texts
- 2/22/2017 Hugh Freeze appears baffled why he's being hit with personal responsibility failure to monitor by the NCAA in awkward 20 minute video no one watches
But keep on blaming a 19 year old MSU player, who was only mentioned in 1 of the 15 LEVEL I VIOLATIONS.
This post was edited on 2/24/17 at 11:24 am
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Posted on 2/24/17 at 11:27 am to Vecchio Cane
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awkward 20 minute video no one watches
Now, to be fair, SOMEBODY may have watched it. I sure as hell didn't, but maybe somebody did.
Posted on 2/24/17 at 11:30 am to Crimson Legend
It was a damn hostage video.
Posted on 2/24/17 at 11:34 am to Vecchio Cane
I have to believe the only reason OM is keeping Freeze around at this point is they are waiting on the appeals process to finalize. They know they aren't going to get the LOIC overturned. At that point they can fire Freeze for cause and not pay his buyout. They name an interim coach to coach out next year. His contract runs through 2019 and firing for cause saves them probably 8 million.
Posted on 2/24/17 at 11:35 am to StarkRebel
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hostage
Is that sorta how you view the NCAA investigations?
Posted on 2/24/17 at 11:38 am to lsufan1971
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They know they aren't going to get the LOIC overturned.
Seriously, what is the argument against LOIC?
"We knew about everything and nothing was done to rein it in."
OR
"We had no idea what our coaches and boosters were doing"
Talk about rock and a hard place.
Posted on 2/24/17 at 11:40 am to UAtide11
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Seriously, what is the argument against LOIC?
"We knew about everything and nothing was done to rein it in."
OR
"We had no idea what our coaches and boosters were doing"
Talk about rock and a hard place.
Look at what THOSE OTHER PROGRAMS are doing!
(not an effective argument, but one we should see several times a day here for the next few months)
Posted on 2/24/17 at 11:41 am to UAtide11
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Seriously, what is the argument against LOIC? Talk about rock and a hard place.
Not fighting it is admitting guilt at this point of the proceedings.
So, you get awkward moments like the 1000 yard stares from Freeze and Bjork in that video
Posted on 2/24/17 at 11:42 am to UAtide11
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Seriously, what is the argument against LOIC?
It is kinda like being on death row. You appeal to keep the needle out of you arm as long a possible.
Posted on 2/24/17 at 11:42 am to UAtide11
quote:I think it's between a rock and a crazy place (to borrow from The Big Bang Theory)
Talk about rock and a hard place.
Posted on 2/24/17 at 11:43 am to Vecchio Cane
I blame Hugh Freeze, some boosters, and part of the administration. I'm not stupid enough to think they didn't have a significant role in hooking up players to go to Ole Miss. Especially Hugh Freeze, which is a shame because I always liked him, and I think he's a good guy, but he with-out doubt cheated. I blame part of the administration because it wasn't just cheating under Hugh Freeze or the football program. Other sports, and dating back to Houston Nutts staff were cheating as well. So it is a loss of Institutional control as far as athletics go. I'm not putting the blame on one MSU kid. Because it was a lot more than just him. I myself had nothing to with any of this, and I'll be a Rebel for life. But Freeze can GTFO for all I care, he threw all the students, alumni, and fans like me under the bus, because we are the ones getting wrath of it.
Posted on 2/24/17 at 11:47 am to JohnnyRebel
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blame Hugh Freeze, some boosters, and part of the administration. I'm not stupid enough to think they didn't have a significant role in hooking up players to go to Ole Miss. Especially Hugh Freeze, which is a shame because I always liked him, and I think he's a good guy, but he with-out doubt cheated. I blame part of the administration because it wasn't just cheating under Hugh Freeze or the football program. Other sports, and dating back to Houston Nutts staff were cheating as well. So it is a loss of Institutional control as far as athletics go. I'm not putting the blame on one MSU kid. Because it was a lot more than just him. I myself had nothing to with any of this, and I'll be a Rebel for life. But Freeze can GTFO for all I care, he threw all the students, alumni, and fans like me under the bus, because we are the ones getting wrath of it.
Personally, I think Hugh and Bjork are both pawns and are being moved around the board by bigger/wealthier names. I think they both realized this about 18 months ago, and are now just looking forward to the $ they have been promised
IMO
This post was edited on 2/24/17 at 5:17 pm
Posted on 2/24/17 at 11:48 am to JohnnyRebel
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I blame Hugh Freeze, some boosters, and part of the administration. I'm not stupid enough to think they didn't have a significant role in hooking up players to go to Ole Miss. Especially Hugh Freeze, which is a shame because I always liked him, and I think he's a good guy, but he with-out doubt cheated. I blame part of the administration because it wasn't just cheating under Hugh Freeze or the football program. Other sports, and dating back to Houston Nutts staff were cheating as well. So it is a loss of Institutional control as far as athletics go. I'm not putting the blame on one MSU kid. Because it was a lot more than just him. I myself had nothing to with any of this, and I'll be a Rebel for life. But Freeze can GTFO for all I care, he threw all the students, alumni, and fans like me under the bus, because we are the ones getting wrath of it.
+1 to you sir
Posted on 2/24/17 at 11:53 am to JohnnyRebel
I miss TampaReb and his always cheerful and laissez faire approach to all of this and everything will be OK. His always wanting links when people only expressed opinions was annoying but I think that was his way of coping. He defended the coaches and administration to his apparent death but really would like to see his insight now that the real stuff has hit the fan.
Posted on 2/24/17 at 12:43 pm to Diamondawg
I suspected Ole Miss was cheating all along. I was there in the 90's when the last NCAA hammer came down.
I personally have no problem with it.
The conference is set up so that the upper-echelon rise above the lower-tiered teams. That's the very nature of the conference itself. It's not like, say, the Big XII where teams have more flexibility.
Ole Miss, MSU, Vandy, Kentucky, etc. -- will never rise to anything or amount to much. Those schools exist so that teams like Alabama, LSU, Florida and so on can go on to national prominence. It's been that way for half a century, and it will be that way moving forward for the foreseeable future.
Thus, in effect, the lower-tiered teams take it on the chin for a welfare check. Most of states in the conference are dirt poor, and premiere programs subsidize the lesser ones. It's simple economics, and the SEC caters -- for good or ill -- to the economic engines that make the money. Because college football, at its very core, is nothing more than a revenue arm of each respective university.
So, I don't get all of this angst. It's not like it hasn't been this way for decades. Everyone knows the score. And those that don't tend to subscribe to all that sunshine enema nonsense. The also-rans in the conference are like the Cubs. They might win it someday, but people go their entire lifetimes without seeing it. And you can either accept that, or you can fight against it and perpetually lose and be disappointed ad infinitum.
I personally have no problem with it.
The conference is set up so that the upper-echelon rise above the lower-tiered teams. That's the very nature of the conference itself. It's not like, say, the Big XII where teams have more flexibility.
Ole Miss, MSU, Vandy, Kentucky, etc. -- will never rise to anything or amount to much. Those schools exist so that teams like Alabama, LSU, Florida and so on can go on to national prominence. It's been that way for half a century, and it will be that way moving forward for the foreseeable future.
Thus, in effect, the lower-tiered teams take it on the chin for a welfare check. Most of states in the conference are dirt poor, and premiere programs subsidize the lesser ones. It's simple economics, and the SEC caters -- for good or ill -- to the economic engines that make the money. Because college football, at its very core, is nothing more than a revenue arm of each respective university.
So, I don't get all of this angst. It's not like it hasn't been this way for decades. Everyone knows the score. And those that don't tend to subscribe to all that sunshine enema nonsense. The also-rans in the conference are like the Cubs. They might win it someday, but people go their entire lifetimes without seeing it. And you can either accept that, or you can fight against it and perpetually lose and be disappointed ad infinitum.
Posted on 2/24/17 at 1:06 pm to CowTownReb
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The conference is set up so that the upper-echelon rise above the lower-tiered teams. That's the very nature of the conference itself. It's not like, say, the Big XII where teams have more flexibility.
That may be the dumbest statement made throughout this whole process. It's dumber than Tunsil on draft night and Freeze's twitter challenge about violations.
As the two former Big XII members about fairness in that conference compared to here. Ever hear of a little thing called the Longhorn network?
Posted on 2/24/17 at 1:11 pm to lsufan1971
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have to believe the only reason OM is keeping Freeze around at this point is they are waiting on the appeals process to finalize. They know they aren't going to get the LOIC overturned. At that point they can fire Freeze for cause and not pay his buyout. They name an interim coach to coach out next year. His contract runs through 2019 and firing for cause saves them probably 8 million.
You hit nail on head. Surprised mainstream media, Finebaum, didn't latch on to that scenario.
Posted on 2/24/17 at 1:17 pm to UAtide11
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Seriously, what is the argument against LOIC?
There's not a huge argument but it's also something you don't just concede to either
Posted on 2/24/17 at 1:18 pm to JustGetItRight
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That may be the dumbest statement made throughout this whole process. It's dumber than Tunsil on draft night and Freeze's twitter challenge about violations.
As the two former Big XII members about fairness in that conference compared to here. Ever hear of a little thing called the Longhorn network?
You're conflating the monetary aspects of UT demanding a bigger share of the network pie with the W/L column. I'm talking about upward mobility in the conference to win football games.
Which is why a team like TCU can move into that conference and represent it in a New Year's Six bowl. Which happened, while UT -- though still making their bones financially -- has wallowed.
That would never happen in the SEC. And it didn't happen when Arkansas and A&M joined after leaving Texas behind.
Posted on 2/24/17 at 1:19 pm to Vecchio Cane
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blamimg
Mississippi education checks out
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