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re: Which SEC School Put Together The Worst String Of Football Hires?
Posted on 10/16/19 at 12:55 pm to LuckyTiger
Posted on 10/16/19 at 12:55 pm to LuckyTiger
Seeing the look on Urban Meyer’s face in 2005 when Bama welcomed him to the SEC 31-3 was worth the pain of the Shula years. Four years later Saban ran him out of the conference.
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Posted on 10/16/19 at 12:56 pm to GeauxTigerNation
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Bama will never hire another Mike
Not even Mike Riley? You know he played his college ball at Bama. LOL turned Nebraska into a dumpster fire and Oregon State? Well they are Oregon State
Posted on 10/16/19 at 12:56 pm to RD Dawg
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Say what you want but I think Dooley gets another shot at a P5
job.He's doing a very good job at Missouri.
Dooley's problem at UT was that he was such an a-hole to those who worked for him that they found other jobs to get away from him. Chaney was the only one who stuck around and he was a holdover from Kiffin (Chaney obviously really likes Knoxville but he also is well known for getting along with damn near anyone).
Had Dooley been able to hold onto Wilcox his tenure would've likely been much different. If he's learned his lesson about how to treat people then he may do a fair job somewhere else.
This post was edited on 10/16/19 at 12:57 pm
Posted on 10/16/19 at 12:57 pm to Prof
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Yeah but if you ask them Fulmer and Spurrier (though they'll say only Fulmer) killed them by answering the NCAA's questions about Means.
Bama's Admin and boosters did a lousy arse job before they finally gave Mal Moore the support and money needed to hire Saban.
We can argue why and how, but the probation definitely had to do with it no matter how we got there.
So did a bunch of alums who wanted to be involved and tell their buddies that they helped pick the football coach.
Posted on 10/16/19 at 12:58 pm to Taurus 357
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Not even Mike Riley? You know he played his college ball at Bama. LOL turned Nebraska into a dumpster fire and Oregon State? Well they are Oregon State
Mike Riley, ironically, was a "candidate" in every coaching search between DuBose and Saban.
Posted on 10/16/19 at 12:59 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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Mike DuBose won a SEC Title and beat Steve Spurrier 2x in one season
Dennis Franchione finished in the Top 11 (would have won the West if not for probation)
Mike Shula finished in the Top 10
Bill Curry finished in the Top 10 (shared SEC Title
Great, that’s being successful or a blip on the career at UA?
Chizik won a NC...
McElwain won sec east, twice
Not really models of success
Dubose 24-23 record
Shula 26-23 record
Dennis 17-8 record
Curry 26-10 record 1 good season
This post was edited on 10/16/19 at 1:12 pm
Posted on 10/16/19 at 1:01 pm to bstew3006
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Great, that’s being successful or a blip on the career at UA?
Chizik won a NC...
I think it's fair to argue Shula and DuBose wouldn't have won what they won at another school.
We have evidence that Fran couldn't
Posted on 10/16/19 at 1:04 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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We can argue why and how, but the probation definitely had to do with it no matter how we got there.
So did a bunch of alums who wanted to be involved and tell their buddies that they helped pick the football coach.
It didn't help but you didn't get probation because Fulmer and Spurrier told on you. You got probation because everyone involved in football in the entire Southeast from HS to College (coaches, parents, players officials, even the scoreboards runners) thought you were being way too flagrant/out of control about it.
Posted on 10/16/19 at 1:05 pm to lsufball19
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message boards weren't much of a thing in 2002
I remember when two boards merged to create Tigerroar back in '98, I was a member of one of them and continued my membership until they went to a pay-site model. Yes, it was a thing. There was also a board on ESPN's website that was very active in the mid to late 90s. And while "social media" may not have been a thing, people used to use what they called "e-mail" back then for all kinds of stuff. Often it was used similarly to how social media is used today.
There was a lot of discussion of Price on the message boards of the day.
Posted on 10/16/19 at 1:05 pm to Prof
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he's learned his lesson about how to treat people then he may do a fair job somewhere else.
Not sure about his recruiting skills but I've his name pop up more than once in regards to getting a P5 job
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The rehabilitation of Derek Dooley
Speaking of Missouri, industry sources tell me Derek Dooley is quickly rehabbing his coaching career – and that he’ll once again be a head coach at a Power 5 school.
Posted on 10/16/19 at 1:06 pm to LuckyTiger
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Curley Hallman was dog shite. He dominates the worst single hire category.
As horrible as Curley Hallman was at LSU, he couldn't carry Ears Whitworth's joke strap.
Check out Ears record at Alabama...
Posted on 10/16/19 at 1:07 pm to Prof
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It didn't help but you didn't get probation because Fulmer and Spurrier told on you. You got probation because everyone involved in football in the entire Southeast from HS to College (coaches, parents, players officials, even the scoreboards runners) thought you were being way too flagrant/out of control about it.
I mean I don't disagree, but the glass house situation with Fulmer fueled a lot of the anger.
Not to mention the joy taken, quotes given to recruits, tampering with Eric and Juicy Locke, Tee Martin/Western Union, all of TennStuds antics in dirty Memphis, etc.
Whatever, it's all in the past, but Fulmer handled it the way he handled it and most of us will always remember it and have an opinion.
This post was edited on 10/16/19 at 1:09 pm
Posted on 10/16/19 at 1:11 pm to SummerOfGeorge
Don't forget Roid Krammit.
Posted on 10/16/19 at 1:11 pm to SummerOfGeorge
The problem wasn't that you were cheating but that y'all were cheating like Hugh Freeze and hiding it about as well. We were ALL cheating tho.
That said, Fulmer was never going to do anything but taunt you just like Spurrier was never going to do anything but taunt us. Just the way those rivalries worked at the time because a combination of things.
That said, Fulmer was never going to do anything but taunt you just like Spurrier was never going to do anything but taunt us. Just the way those rivalries worked at the time because a combination of things.
Posted on 10/16/19 at 1:13 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
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I remember when two boards merged to create Tigerroar back in '98, I was a member of one of them and continued my membership until they went to a pay-site model. Yes, it was a thing. There was also a board on ESPN's website that was very active in the mid to late 90s. And while "social media" may not have been a thing, people used to use what they called "e-mail" back then for all kinds of stuff. Often it was used similarly to how social media is used today.
I didn't say they didn't exist. I said they weren't much of a thing, as in they weren't very popular because they weren't. And e-mails do not even compare to the 24/7 hour coverage that is social media. You didn't see network television report on what person A e-mailed to person B about a sports story. Now, you see real-time news coverage about what topics are "trending" on social media. I'm sorry, but 2002 was light years different from what we see today and had zilch to do with why Price was fired, which was the whole point of this discussion.
Posted on 10/16/19 at 1:14 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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think it's fair to argue Shula and DuBose wouldn't have won what they won at another school.
We have evidence that Fran couldn't
Agreed.
UA has had 3 coaches be very successful. So not sure where the idea of UA making coaches successful comes from. ESP when stallings is clouded in violations.
Posted on 10/16/19 at 1:16 pm to Prof
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We were ALL cheating tho.
That was not how things were presented or represented back then, though. And it was obviously a bit frustrating when combined with the taunting and moral finger wagging.
And just like it's understandable for Fulmer to rub it in, it's understandable for us to continue to laugh at things like "Alabama will be out of business" in two years.
And all of this stuff is why it's so laughable to read other fans here acting like Tennessee/Alabama isn't a real rivalry anymore. As if there stories passed down over 75 years of history simply vanish because one side is having a bad decade.
Posted on 10/16/19 at 1:18 pm to bstew3006
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ESP when stallings is clouded in violations.
I'd hardly call the Antonio Langham napkin signing a situation that clouded his tenure. He broke a dumb rule, we didn't handle it well and we got popped for it. But it wasn't some systemic cheating issue.
Posted on 10/16/19 at 1:23 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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That was not how things were presented or represented back then, though. And it was obviously a bit frustrating when combined with the taunting and moral finger wagging.
And just like it's understandable for Fulmer to rub it in, it's understandable for us to continue to laugh at things like "Alabama will be out of business" in two years.
And all of this stuff is why it's so laughable to read other fans here acting like Tennessee/Alabama isn't a real rivalry anymore. As if there stories passed down over 75 years of history simply vanish because one side is having a bad decade.
I remember the streak before and what y'all said and the dumbass tee-shirts one of my friends would wear to school. Fulmer wouldn't have acted any other way once the shoe was on the other foot. Alabama was Majors' thorn and I remember Fulmer breaking that streak. We all know it and we both know why y'all are happy to tell the tale like it was just poor Ole Johnny getting stabbed in the back by mean Ole Phil.
But even beyond the myth and legends we fans pass down, the first time we played a game it ended in a fan brawl yet we ain't a rivalry.
This post was edited on 10/16/19 at 1:25 pm
Posted on 10/16/19 at 1:24 pm to LuckyTiger
DD/Jones/Kiff had some decent teams.
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