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re: Where does Saban rank as a game day coach in the sec?
Posted on 8/27/14 at 10:15 am to CapstoneGrad06
Posted on 8/27/14 at 10:15 am to CapstoneGrad06
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CapstoneGrad06
Where does Saban rank as a game day coach in the sec?
Saban has never lost in a championship game.
How soon we forget. 2008 ring a bell?
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Posted on 8/27/14 at 10:34 am to allin2010
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Alabama has >>>>>> more talent than the rest of the SEC...... (Number 1 or 2 ranked class every year). So if he was a good GAME DAY coach, he should never lose...
And you can always test that theory by seeing if the #2 ranked team in recruiting has ever been beaten by anyone other than Alabama, right? Or #3 has been beaten by anyone other than #2 or #3?
Posted on 8/27/14 at 10:38 am to BamaGradinTn
I wasn't aware Alabama played Oklahoma in the 2009 BCS title game. So I still contend, Saban has never lost in a national championship game. That better?
Posted on 8/27/14 at 10:38 am to Heresaucer
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If's 3's your best rank for Saban, who 1-2?
Gus and Spurrier are much better in-game coaches. Sumlin and Richt are probably ahead of him also. saban isn't a great x's and o's guy. His talent is getting talent. He makes very questionable coaching decisions in tight games.
Posted on 8/27/14 at 10:39 am to Rebman601
Top 5
Posted on 8/27/14 at 10:47 am to MrAUTigers
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Sumlin and Richt are probably ahead of him also.
I'm about as big of a Georgia fan as they come, and you are dead wrong on this. What case could you possibly make for either of them to be a better in-game coach? And then how can you say Gus and Spurrier are much better? Gus' powerful offense only put up 13 points against Western Kentucky two years ago and Arkansas St. had much better talent.
ETA: and in case you forgot 3 years ago Gus was the offensive coordinator for a team that had games where they scored 10, 14, 7, and 14 points. He's a great coach, but don't look at a couple games Saban has had to try and discredit him as a great coach.
This post was edited on 8/27/14 at 10:49 am
Posted on 8/27/14 at 10:51 am to Dawgsontop34
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Gus' powerful offense only put up 13 points against Western Kentucky two years ago and Arkansas St. had much better talent.
You can cherry pick a game here or there all you want. saban lost to La-Mo, with bama, at home. saban is Jimmy Johnson. Jimmy Johnson has said publicly that he was not a great game-day coach. His talent was seeing talent and building a superior roster. That is exactly what saban has done. Go back and look at how many close games bama wins. They aren't often. He out-talents you. If you can get him in a tight game, it is guaranteed he will make some stupid calls. I use the 2013 IB to prove my point.
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He's a great coach,
Don't be stupid. Great coach and great in-game coach are two different things. Nobody is saying saban isn't a great coach. In-game coaches are play callers and game adjusters. That is not saban's forte.
This post was edited on 8/27/14 at 10:55 am
Posted on 8/27/14 at 11:04 am to MrAUTigers
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Gus and Spurrier are much better in-game coaches
What is your argument for this?
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Sumlin and Richt are probably ahead of him also.
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saban isn't a great x's and o's guy.
What is your argument for this?
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He makes very questionable coaching decisions in tight games.
Such as?
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I use the 2013 IB to prove my point.
What stupid calls did he make?
This post was edited on 8/27/14 at 11:05 am
Posted on 8/27/14 at 11:05 am to MrAUTigers
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If you can get him in a tight game, it is guaranteed he will make some stupid calls. I use the 2013 IB to prove my point.
That's fair to an extent. The fake punt call they ran in the National Championship game against Texas was one of the worst calls I've ever seen, and I was shocked he didn't try that shorter FG against Auburn this year in the fourth. That being said, I saw Saban adjust quite well in the SEC Championship game against UGA and regardless of how much talent you have, managing that in game is incredibly difficult and Saban has managed that well.
Posted on 8/27/14 at 11:09 am to CapstoneGrad06
quote:Whats with the timelines? Dont feel like counting the 6 losses his first year at Bama?
He has routinely lost only 9 games in the last six years.
Posted on 8/27/14 at 11:20 am to Rebman601
He comes up a bit short....
Posted on 8/27/14 at 11:22 am to CNB
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And then he wins a championship.
So if Oregon doesn't lose to Stanford in 2012 or Oklahoma State doesn't lose to Iowa State in 2011 is saban less of a coach?
The fact he loses games every year, 2009 aside, when he ALWAYS has the best team can't be totally ignored. There is no doubting saban's overall coaching ability but he has been extremely fortunate to have the titles he has.
Getting a re-do (though they sure made the most of that), facing Garrett Gilbert, getting to play ND...
Even at LSU they didn't have to play the #1 team.
This post was edited on 8/27/14 at 11:29 am
Posted on 8/27/14 at 11:25 am to RandySavage
He's not a giant
Posted on 8/27/14 at 11:29 am to fontell
I won't argue anything in this thread outside of the fact that even though he has had a good amount of luck, one thing is for certain.
Outside of the 2004 BCSNC, he's crushed every single opponent he's coached against in a national title game. So whenever he is tasked with playing whoever the #2 or #1 team in America, he more than rises to the occasion.
Posted on 8/27/14 at 11:34 am to Funky Tide 8
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saban isn't a great x's and o's guy.
What is your argument for this?
Winning or losing close games, many times, comes down to coaching decisions. Over the last 5 years, how many close games has bama won and how many close games has bama lost?
This post was edited on 8/27/14 at 11:41 am
Posted on 8/27/14 at 11:41 am to jbond
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Les-- so he can lose to Ole Miss with LSU talent but still be a better gameday coach
While I'll agree this thread is stupid....this analogy is just as stupid.
ULM/UAB/Utah ring a bell? No coach wins em all and Lord Saban has lost his share in wtf fashion too.
This post was edited on 8/27/14 at 11:42 am
Posted on 8/27/14 at 12:01 pm to CapstoneGrad06
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I wasn't aware Alabama played Oklahoma in the 2009 BCS title game. So I still contend, Saban has never lost in a national championship game. That better?
Yeah, but who said anything about Oklahoma? Your post said championship game...the 2008 SECCG being one of those.
Posted on 8/27/14 at 12:04 pm to MrAUTigers
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Winning or losing close games, many times, comes down to coaching decisions
many times, yes, but not all the time.
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Over the last 5 years, how many close games has bama won and how many close games has bama lost?
2009-4 won every close game.
2010-Won 1 close game, lost 2.
2011-lost 1 close game. kicker couldnt hit the broad side of a barn.
2012-Won 2 close games, lost 1
2013-Won 1 close game, lost 2
Of the ones we lost, I cant really put one squarely on any awful coaching decisions.
Posted on 8/27/14 at 12:04 pm to RandySavage
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The fact he loses games every year, 2009 aside, when he ALWAYS has the best team can't be totally ignored
Agreed. Saban fricking sucks. He should be undefeated every year.
#FireSaban
#WeWantShula
Posted on 8/27/14 at 12:05 pm to Dawgsontop34
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The fake punt call they ran in the National Championship game against Texas was one of the worst calls I've ever seen,
Some said that was an audible called on the field...don't know if true. Julio being poorly prepared to call for a fair catch on that kickoff was just as bad.
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I was shocked he didn't try that shorter FG against Auburn this year in the fourth.
Me too.
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I saw Saban adjust quite well in the SEC Championship game against UGA and regardless of how much talent you have, managing that in game is incredibly difficult and Saban has managed that well
Absolutely.
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