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re: When players become official employees

Posted on 12/17/23 at 7:04 pm to
Posted by AwgustaDawg
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Posted on 12/17/23 at 7:04 pm to
The NFL doesn’t get all players from top programs….every roster has a bunch of players from small schools. That would change somewhat but not completely. Hard to imagine the nfl getting involved in a meaningful way like a farm system but it could happen….
Posted by Shaft Williams
Central City, LA
Member since Jul 2010
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Posted on 12/17/23 at 7:08 pm to
What Miami lacks in fan support they make up with money.
Posted by TideWarrior
Asheville/Chapel Hill NC
Member since Sep 2009
11841 posts
Posted on 12/17/23 at 7:08 pm to
quote:

Essentially colleges can have players sign a “non compete” dictating where they can and cannot transfer to


A few states currently do not allow non-compete and/or not enforceable by law. I believe OK and CA are two of them.

But becoming employees is not that easy and if any of these athletes are getting sound advice, they would stay NIL and avoid becoming an employee.

Once they become an employee the NCAA would no longer exist or would there be a need for it as they would have no jurisdiction with regard to said athletes.  

It would also not be the same as some states are Union and others right to work. Not to mention the "at will" states that could fire a player without any warning, so basically anytime during the season.

Also, not to mention if still are treated like students working towards a degree any benefit given to them for education, boarding, meals, and travel to sporting events could be considered income. Not sure the majority of Olympic sport athletes could afford that tax bracket. Not to mention the jock tax that many would get hit with.

quote:

In other ways it will straighten out the portal circus.


The only way to fix the issue is for the schools to decide as a collective to handle the situation. But as long as there are programs that are going to try and use it to their advantage thinking it will give them a step up on their competition it will remain as it is.


Posted by BestofTexas
Member since Dec 2023
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Posted on 12/17/23 at 7:10 pm to
What a Joke no TCU and no Texas Tech no Baylor. Texas is a state that provides over 400 D1 high School football players and only two Universities.
Posted by TideWarrior
Asheville/Chapel Hill NC
Member since Sep 2009
11841 posts
Posted on 12/17/23 at 7:14 pm to
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Employees are not subject to Title IX restrictions


Not exactly

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Employees Rights Under Title IX

Fortunately, Title IX protects you as a full-time or part-time employee of your school (again, assuming it receives federal funds of any kind) against gender discrimination and sexual harassment regardless of your position, title, job description, or length of employment.

Student Employee Rights Under Title IX

Undergraduate and graduate students who are functionally “employed” by their educational institution are also protected by Title IX whether they get a paycheck or financial credit in exchange for their work. Examples of such employee status include work study students, medical resident students, and graduate teaching assistants.


If they are an employee of said school and that school receives any type of federal money they are protected under Title IX.

So yes you start paying the football players as employees you can bet the female sports team will demand under Title IX equal pay.
Posted by Ponchy Tiger
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Member since Aug 2004
45177 posts
Posted on 12/17/23 at 7:21 pm to
The players will end up hating it. They won't the control they think they will. It will mean contracts and being like any other employee. A lot of the perks and crazy amenities that college programs have will go away.
Posted by BurntOrangeMan
Dallas TX
Member since May 2021
5628 posts
Posted on 12/17/23 at 7:47 pm to
quote:

- A decent roster will cost around 50 MM.
- A great roster will cost around 75 MM


That's not going to work.

Texas football generates roughly $170M in revenue annually and @ $75M for players (add in $25M for staff) & that's almost a 60% payroll to earnings ratio.
Posted by TideWarrior
Asheville/Chapel Hill NC
Member since Sep 2009
11841 posts
Posted on 12/17/23 at 8:07 pm to
Had to look up:

quote:

Ohio State - $251 million
Texas - $239 million
Alabama - $214 million
Michigan - $210 million
Georgia - $203 million
LSU - $199 million
Texas A&M - $193 million
Florida - $190 million
Penn State - $181 million
Oklahoma - $177 million
Auburn - $174 million
Michigan State - $172 million
Indiana - $166 million
Virginia - $161.9 million
Florida State - $161.1 million


LINK

The issue though are many programs are generating a positive return though if the athletes become employees the NIL collective may revert more funds into the program directly instead of to the players.
Posted by BurntOrangeMan
Dallas TX
Member since May 2021
5628 posts
Posted on 12/17/23 at 8:17 pm to
That's AD revenue, but yes.. the alumni donor NIL funds would likely go direct to the U./AD. Add in "employee wages" for the other sports and the employee to earnings ratio gets even worse.

Here's the bad news.. if it goes that direction the gap will be filled by corporations. AKA "the end".
Posted by Doak Walker
Dallas
Member since Sep 2022
389 posts
Posted on 12/17/23 at 8:21 pm to
No one can predict the future but I do think one thing is certain. If college football becomes professional, the NFL will change it's draft policy and start drafting high school players like MLB. The only reason they haven't already is because amateurism rules have provided them a free farm system. "Minor League" football teams will spring up everywhere competing with colleges and all the best players will start skipping college altogether.
This post was edited on 12/17/23 at 8:23 pm
Posted by bamaoldtimer
Member since Dec 2009
998 posts
Posted on 12/17/23 at 8:23 pm to
Greed is killing the sport we all love. It’s all about rich alums reliving their past vicariously through their football teams accomplishments.

These alums will spend ridiculous sums now to buy players.

The networks want better games to sell ads.

Schools AD’s, Presidents need more money to build bigger, better facilities etc

What about the players? Once they were getting a free education, room and board. Something I did not have. It was great.

Not now, they wear flashy jewelry, drive expensive cars, some do get degrees but honestly most of the degrees are worthless.

I could go on but won’t.

No, they should not be employees but independent contractors if they want to take money and any other compensation other than their scholarship

They should be 1099’d by the university. All money should be disbursed by the school.

Players should get a Percentage of the Revenue splint evenly amongst all players.

Contract should be signed.






Posted by geoag58
Member since Nov 2011
482 posts
Posted on 12/17/23 at 8:27 pm to
College baseball is still interesting under the scenario you describe. I think college football might resemble the product from seventy five years ago and be interesting. Non revenue sports would take a hit.
Posted by TideWarrior
Asheville/Chapel Hill NC
Member since Sep 2009
11841 posts
Posted on 12/17/23 at 8:52 pm to
quote:

That's AD revenue


The article said football programs so why I listed it but it may include all.
Posted by Keltic Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2006
19319 posts
Posted on 12/17/23 at 9:57 pm to
First of all, once athletes are accepted as paid employees, this will affect every sport. Once football is unionized, that union will soon go for the rest of the sports. A CBA will be mandatory & it will cover all the issues being discussed here, i.e. this will all be negotiated. Unless covered by a CBA, not sure where any "contracts: would come into play. Injured employees would be covered by workers compensation & if there is one thing that is certain, plaintiff attys would jump in & become a factor in ongoing medical treatment; bad injuries resulting in law suits & negotiated settlements. Unionization = strikes when negotiations stall. Strikes: will season ticket holders get reimbursed for non played games? This is a very dark & deep rabbit hole staring college athletics across the board.
Posted by Clark14
L.A.Hog
Member since Dec 2014
19563 posts
Posted on 12/17/23 at 10:58 pm to
The sad part about these days in sports is that back in the day most college football players used their scholarships to get an education and since the nfl wasn’t so profitable many used their education to become successful in many areas which was good for everyone.

Now when pro sports don’t work out and since the education wasn’t a priority many wind up with meager options and income for the rest of their lives.

The main thing that needs to be taught to future athletes is that there needs to be a plan B if plan A doesn’t pan out.
Posted by deeprig9
Unincorporated Ozora, Georgia
Member since Sep 2012
64113 posts
Posted on 12/17/23 at 11:26 pm to
quote:

The sad part about these days in sports is that back in the day most college football players used their scholarships to get an education and since the nfl wasn’t so profitable many used their education to become successful in many areas which was good for everyone.

Now when pro sports don’t work out and since the education wasn’t a priority many wind up with meager options and income for the rest of their lives.

The main thing that needs to be taught to future athletes is that there needs to be a plan B if plan A doesn’t pan out.



This type of common sense doesn't fly with our current leftist tidal surge over all things. It's been coming for years but the tidal wave is finally breaking upon us. In all facets and out of all faucets.

Drip Drip.
Posted by AwgustaDawg
CSRA
Member since Jan 2023
7194 posts
Posted on 12/18/23 at 5:11 am to
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What Miami lacks in fan support they make up with money.


No doubt but do they have enough fan base to add to a TV contract? I know they have a lot of fans all over the country when they are winning but when they are doing what they normally do you don't see that as much. Miami has one stretch of relevance, a stretch that is impressive as hell no doubt, that was the result of doing under the table what is now daily practice in the light of day so they could well be on the cusp of dominance again...but most likely they do what they have done their entire history and thats muddle through mediocrity with no fan base to speak of and bringing nothing to the table.
Posted by AwgustaDawg
CSRA
Member since Jan 2023
7194 posts
Posted on 12/18/23 at 5:50 am to
quote:

Greed is killing the sport we all love. It’s all about rich alums reliving their past vicariously through their football teams accomplishments.

These alums will spend ridiculous sums now to buy players.

The networks want better games to sell ads.

Schools AD’s, Presidents need more money to build bigger, better facilities etc

What about the players? Once they were getting a free education, room and board. Something I did not have. It was great.

Not now, they wear flashy jewelry, drive expensive cars, some do get degrees but honestly most of the degrees are worthless.

I could go on but won’t.

No, they should not be employees but independent contractors if they want to take money and any other compensation other than their scholarship

They should be 1099’d by the university. All money should be disbursed by the school.

Players should get a Percentage of the Revenue splint evenly amongst all players.

Contract should be signed.


1099 contractors can be subject to the same sort of restrictions and limits placed on an employee. The problem is that it'd be a pretty easy case to make using IRS standards that they would not be independent...they do not have "opportunities for profit and loss (of the contractor OR the program, they have no way to control the "amount of initiative, judgment, or foresight in open market competition with others required for the success of the claimed independent contractor" and they would have no control over "the degree of independent business organization and operation". Pretty much if the are not allowed to make decisions about the profitability of organization of THEIR business they are employees and not contractors. There is also the issue of "permanence" and an inability to pursue other independent ventures related to their "business". The IRA is pretty damned stringent about who is and who is not a business because the tax advantages of being a 1099 contractor are infinitely better than being an employee and the IRS nees its money badder'n a hawg nees slop....
Posted by Kcprogguitar
Kansas City
Member since Oct 2014
889 posts
Posted on 12/18/23 at 4:30 pm to
They’ll be contractors. Responsible for their own insurance and upkeep.
Posted by ljhog
Lake Jackson, Tx.
Member since Apr 2009
19078 posts
Posted on 12/18/23 at 4:35 pm to
quote:

- A decent roster will cost around 50 MM.
- A great roster will cost around 75 MM
- a 5 star QB will cost 2-3 MM alone.

Salary cap??
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