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The founders definitions of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness is a pretty good starting point.

We have shown this is an incorrect, man-made list of rights they didn't believe in fully, and doesn't reflect what deities have declared to be these god-given rights


God's commandment:

"You must love the LORD your God with all your heart, all your soul, and all your mind.’fn
38This is the first and greatest commandment.
39A second is equally important: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’fn
40The entire law and all the demands of the prophets are based on these two commandments.”

I think all individual rights are derived from this commandment.



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For all of the thousands of examples of government power that the CC authorizes, you picked one outside of it

The 14th Amendment is the primray defense of gay marriage. I'd start by reading Griswold and


Yes the commerce clause is not the basis. Wasn't the CC contract provision used as one the reasons to make it the law of the land?

re: What is the source of our rights?

Posted by geoag58 on 3/29/26 at 11:33 am to
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What does "God-given rights" actually mean if someone who is stronger than you can take away those "given" rights if they want too?

What functional difference is there between "God-given rights" and rights you have to defend with force/threats of force?




Man does not possess the attributes of God. Therefore we must always be prepared to defend our rights when imperfect man intentionally or inadvertently tramples upon our rights. This does not mean that the rights given to us by God have dissappeared.



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Who/what defines what a right is?

What is the comprehensive list of rights?


The list of god-given rights may end up being incredibly short, for all we konw.




The founders definitions of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness is a pretty good starting point.

Think of all the laws that are derived with the commerce clause as the starting point. Isn't the commerce clause the basis of the argument in support of gay marriage?

re: What is the source of our rights?

Posted by geoag58 on 3/29/26 at 11:03 am to
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What does "God-given rights" actually mean if someone who is stronger than you can take away those "given" rights if they want too?

What functional difference is there between "God-given rights" and rights you have to defend with force/threats of force?



inalienable
/in-al'y?-n?-b?l, -a'le-?-/

adjective
That cannot be transferred to another or others.
"inalienable rights."
Incapable of being alienated, surrendered, or transferred to another; not alienable.
"in inalienable birthright"
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But in your scenario, the state didn't take anything away


Slaves, at the time, were not considered people, they were considered property. The founder was righting about freedoms of the individual.

The founders were not in agreement on the issue of slavery, but slavery was legal in all of the colonies. If slavery had not existed do you think the rights enumerated would have been different?

Communists approach their system from the aspect that the state is all powerful and there is no God. The state decides the rights of the individual.

God is perfect and immutable and man, like the slave owning founder writing about inalienable rights is not.



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Many founders who wrote about the right to life owned slaves.


An individuals rights end where another person's begins. It doesn't matter that one person temporarily denies another person the free exercise of their rights, the person still retains their rights, since rights are God given.

This is why communist states promote atheism. If the state is the ultimate power then they gove rights and can also take them away.

re: What is the source of our rights?

Posted by geoag58 on 3/29/26 at 10:16 am to
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re: What is the source of our rights?


The source of our rights is the pertinent question. If our rights come from God we retain them no matter external forces saying otherwise.
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Again...we do not currently have the manufacturing capacity to make them as fast as we're using them.


Or, like the other poster said, we should stop dim-commies from giving billions to Somali scum and buy more weapons.
You know, the lesson to be learned here, is don't mow down peaceful protesters by the tens of thousands.

And....the lesson you should learn, by the number of downvotes, on most of your posts, is you should post less.
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From what we have learned, since the start of this war, it is obvious we were at the doorstep of a nuclear armed fanatical terrorist regime able to fire nuclear tipped missiles at us.


What? How has this war made that obvious?

I ask, because it’s clear many of you have gotten to the point where you support an all out invasion of Iran, toppling the regime and replacing it, no matter what the cost.




The IRGC negotiator admitted, in February, to having enough material for 11 nuclear weapons.

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We are not at the doorstep of peace in the middle east. That's a guarantee I can give you.


From what we have learned, since the start of this war, it is obvious we were at the doorstep of a nuclear armed fanatical terrorist regime able to fire nuclear tipped missiles at us.

We had to act, and I doubt the outcome will be worse than inaction in the long run.
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They will be absolutely slaughtered unfortunately.


The internet will be turned on first, so the people will no longer see only propaganda. Then we'll see how much fight is in IRGC minions when they come face to face with eighty million angry people who have been brutalized for fifty years. Especially when the eighty million are backed by unfettered close air support.
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Biden and his admin are incompetent. What do you expect?


That's not incompetence, that is murder!
I think Trump is making a mistake sending differing messages. He told them at the beginning to stay put and we would let them know when. And he told them if they don't act they may not have another chance for decades.

Now Trump is saying a move by the people will be a massacre. Trump can't expect these people to play this "art of the deal" crap with their lives. He needs to quit with the mixed messages if he really expects the people to rise up.

I guess the thirty plus thousand people already murdered by the regime were the only people who wanted to end the regime. The Iranian people are definitely not cut from the same cloth as the people who founded our country.
This is porn for leftards in the US.
Observation of a boomer.

I am glad I won't be around if these younger Americans, who want to stick their heads in the sand, gain power. I cannot imagine a more naive out of touch bunch. You are not special and our country will suffer because of your weakness and stupidity.
You are obviously young and naive.

It is becoming clear this war is the war we should have fought all along.

We have all discovered through this action that Iran had nuclear material they said they didn't have. We have also discovered their ballistic missile technology is much further along. I won't be surprised if we unearth more evil when these evil people are defeated.

Hopefully you will grow up one day.

Trump was around in 1979 and understands, like anyone with a functioning brain and not afflicted with terminal TDS, the current Iranian regime cannot possess nuclear weapons.
In prosecuting the action the world has discovered the Iranian regime lied about all of their ballistic missile and nuclear pursuits. And this doesn't even touch their funding of proxies who are responsible for most of the turmoil in that part of the world.