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When does possession start on a fumble recovery? Mond vs Brooks and SEC refs

Posted on 11/6/22 at 9:21 am
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 11/6/22 at 9:21 am
According to SEC refs, possession started the millisecond Mond touches the ball with his knee on the ground after the fumble. Y considered this enough evidence to actually overturn the call on the field



Now fast forward

Two hands on the ball below is not considered possession, enough to actually overturn the call on the field again




How in the blue hell can both the above be true?
This post was edited on 11/6/22 at 9:22 am
Posted by ConcreteThreshold
Denver, CO
Member since Jun 2017
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Posted on 11/6/22 at 9:25 am to
I've seen way too many say that two hands + knee does not = possession.

If not, what is?
Posted by FreddieMac
Baton Rouge
Member since Jun 2010
20962 posts
Posted on 11/6/22 at 9:26 am to
Whenever the sec needs to control the outcome
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
94860 posts
Posted on 11/6/22 at 9:27 am to
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If not, what is?
Apparently just touching the top of the ball with one hand
Posted by mcpotiger
Missouri
Member since Mar 2005
6910 posts
Posted on 11/6/22 at 9:27 am to
Depends totally on what team(s) are involved
Posted by Sun God
Member since Jul 2009
44874 posts
Posted on 11/6/22 at 9:28 am to
Glad we could beat both teams yesterday

Also the no safety call in the UT - UGA game was one of the worst calls in a hot minute
Posted by That LSU Guy
The beach
Member since Jul 2008
11398 posts
Posted on 11/6/22 at 9:30 am to
Sure seems that way.
Posted by Darth_Vader
A galaxy far, far away
Member since Dec 2011
64391 posts
Posted on 11/6/22 at 9:37 am to
I’m still waiting to see the irrefutable video evidence the Bama player did indeed touch the ball. That’s the only way the call in the field of LSU removing the fumble can legit be overturned.

So where is it?
Posted by Srbtiger06
Member since Apr 2006
28255 posts
Posted on 11/6/22 at 9:47 am to
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I’m still waiting to see the irrefutable video evidence the Bama player did indeed touch the ball. That’s the only way the call in the field of LSU removing the fumble can legit be overturned


Same. There wasn't enough to overturn. Play should've stood.
Posted by tigerfan 64
in the LP
Member since Sep 2016
3735 posts
Posted on 11/6/22 at 9:49 am to
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Depends totally on what team(s) are involved

The correct call is whichever goes against LSU.

The sec officials have shown this to be the rule.
Posted by RealDawg
Dawgville
Member since Nov 2012
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Posted on 11/6/22 at 9:53 am to
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Also the no safety call in the UT - UGA game was one of the worst calls in a hot minute


1-the LSU call of saying Bama touching while out of bounds before LSU could possess..maybe. Still think him having both hands on it should trump dude touching it from out of bounds.

2- UGA safety. Still waiting on why the call “stands”. Dude was down and ball never got out of end zone.

20 cameras and people on replay with only the job of getting it right…they have to do better.
Posted by TigerNAtux
Louisiana
Member since Dec 2007
17111 posts
Posted on 11/6/22 at 9:56 am to
Have to wonder what those replay officials are looking at. It’s maddening how much they get wrong.
Posted by BigDropper
Member since Jul 2009
7608 posts
Posted on 11/6/22 at 10:04 am to
his knee is not down in this pic



ETA: then the Latu touches the ball (again before the knee is down) and the ball moves.
This post was edited on 11/6/22 at 10:06 am
Posted by thetruth2006
Dallas, TX
Member since Dec 2005
330 posts
Posted on 11/6/22 at 10:26 am to
You do realize the knee in that screenshot is not Brooks’ knee? Brooks’ knees are out of the screenshot and touching the ground.
Posted by TigerDat
Member since Aug 2010
7628 posts
Posted on 11/6/22 at 10:33 am to
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When does possession start on a fumble recovery? Mond vs Brooks and SEC refs by BigDropper
his knee is not down in this pic


Watch the video replay, Brooks knee was down but iut of this frame. Then Bama player swatted at the ball.


Like OP said, what's the difference in the 2? Other than 1 overturned a pic in a game which would have sealed the LSU win.

The other overturned a fumble recovery and ked to a field goal that caused the game to need OT.
Posted by BigDropper
Member since Jul 2009
7608 posts
Posted on 11/6/22 at 11:17 am to
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You do realize the knee in that screenshot is not Brooks’ knee? Brooks’ knees are out of the screenshot and touching the ground.

incorrect. You can clearly see one of Brooks' knee in the frame. His other knee is behind his leg in the frame.

you can see his yellow pants under his leg in the foreground. his knee is behind his calf muscle.

Now look at the knee in the foreground. see that little yellow speck? that's his pants.



See this image, it's a few milliseconds after that image.



you're wrong.
Posted by BigDropper
Member since Jul 2009
7608 posts
Posted on 11/6/22 at 11:24 am to
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Watch the video replay, Brooks knee was down but iut of this frame.


Clearly, you need to watch the replay. I see two knees, neither of which are down.

Posted by lewis and herschel
Member since Nov 2009
11363 posts
Posted on 11/6/22 at 11:28 am to
My take with their rules is the lsu player had it in both hands, when the bama player swiped at it, the moment he touched the ball, play ended with lsu possession.
Posted by White Tiger
Dallas
Member since Jul 2007
12830 posts
Posted on 11/6/22 at 11:36 am to
It is about manipulating the outcome. It is as simple as that. They "get away with it" because most people are hopelessly stupid.

Posted by White Tiger
Dallas
Member since Jul 2007
12830 posts
Posted on 11/6/22 at 11:39 am to
But LSU had possession if/when the Gump touched it. That is indisputable. Either way it is LSU ball.
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