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re: When does possession start on a fumble recovery? Mond vs Brooks and SEC refs
Posted on 11/6/22 at 12:59 pm to ceretonia
Posted on 11/6/22 at 12:59 pm to ceretonia
So by overturning the call on the field the replay official is saying LSU player without a doubt did not have a firm grasp of the ball. I disagree.
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Posted on 11/6/22 at 1:08 pm to ceretonia
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FIRM GRASP is the definition.
But what, exactly, does that mean? It’s subjective. And I think that’s exactly what the OP is trying to illustrate.
Posted on 11/6/22 at 1:15 pm to RealDawg
It’s simple really SEC is a corrupt organization. Shocking in these days isn’t it? Either these officials are totally inept or they are on the take. I’d bet on the latter..
Posted on 11/6/22 at 1:17 pm to lsupride87
Why do you not show the gifs of the full plays?
Why does context scare you?
Why does context scare you?
Posted on 11/6/22 at 1:18 pm to lctiger
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So by overturning the call on the field the replay official is saying LSU player without a doubt did not have a firm grasp of the ball. I disagree.
Look, you’re retarded. I tried explaining it to you but you’re too retarded and biased to try to understand. I can’t fix retarded here. I’m an LSU fan just trying to help enlighten you, but I put that blame on myself.
When officiating, the replay official doesn’t have to determine that. You’re wrong. As I stated, you misunderstand what you hear people on television saying. If there is criteria and it doesn’t meet the criteria, he’s actually instructed to overrule. It’s only in cases where evidence of fact is undisputed and judgement is the only variable. Even then, it’s only guidance for replay officials and not a hard rule.
This post was edited on 11/6/22 at 1:18 pm
Posted on 11/6/22 at 1:22 pm to GeauxldMember
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But what, exactly, does that mean? It’s subjective. And I think that’s exactly what the OP is trying to illustrate.
He's not trying to illustrate anything other than his own bias. That's why he removes all context in the plays and tries to frame everything as being what a simple image is.
The LSU player did not have control or possession of the ball in the OP's image. If it was a gif, it would show him bobbling the ball trying to scoop it up. Even in the still image, you can see the tips of his fingers aren't even wrapped around the ball.
So all I see in this thread are LSU fans who don't give a shite about reality, and just want to cry about the refs.
It's amazing how quickly people are to make themselves the victims regardless of actual reality.
The actual rule that's been in football since before I, or anyone else on this forum was born, is that if the ball touches ANYTHING out of bounds, then the ball is also out of bounds at that moment.
The only exception to this rule is if someone is in bounds while having possession. AKA, you can't stand out of bounds and touch a ball that someone has in their possession and it be out of bounds. However, if it's a pass and you are out of bounds and you touch the ball before the reception is made, then the ball will be incomplete and out of bounds.
Yet I don't think any of you really even remotely give a shite about the actual rules here.
Posted on 11/6/22 at 1:26 pm to lsupride87
Depends on the officiating crew
Posted on 11/6/22 at 1:28 pm to GeauxldMember
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But what, exactly, does that mean? It’s subjective. And I think that’s exactly what the OP is trying to illustrate.
But there is criteria that we are trained to look at. Completing a football action is one here (he’s attempting to pull ball to chest), adequate security time (> 1 second), maintaining ball position (here it is swatted away).
If there is question to whether you have possession that results in a change of custody, then the training is that you don’t have possession.
Posted on 11/6/22 at 1:29 pm to lctiger
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Can you be bringing something to your chest that you don’t have a grasp of?
I do it daily because my left thumb was nearly cut off about 15 years ago and no longer bends in the middle.
Posted on 11/6/22 at 1:31 pm to ceretonia
So how would you judge a DB coming from out of bounds and touching the ball as a WR catches it….as in it’s basically a jump ball and the WR hasn’t tucked it?
Eta I guess the DB is still standing out of bounds…
Eta I guess the DB is still standing out of bounds…
This post was edited on 11/6/22 at 1:33 pm
Posted on 11/6/22 at 1:36 pm to GeauxldMember
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It’s subjective.
This!
Posted on 11/6/22 at 1:42 pm to ceretonia
Personal insults don’t help your argument. In your original post with things from rule book letters A and B you imply he didn’t have possession as he didn’t pull it to his chest, and that it was swatted away from someone that really didn’t have something. I submit that both of those points are wrong (won’t use the term retarded) I appreciate your understanding of the rules and discussion, but I disagree with you and the SEC replay guys on this. If that makes me retarded so be it.
Posted on 11/7/22 at 10:26 am to thetruth2006
quote:3 things, Either 1) you do not understand human anatomy, 2) this is a troll job or 3) this is not a troll job and in that case, bless your little heart...
You have provided no proof that the knee in that one screenshot is Brooks’ knee. Maybe it is, but that screenshot and all else you have said and shown does not alone proves it is.
Posted on 11/7/22 at 11:20 am to ceretonia
Posted on 11/7/22 at 11:28 am to drewzt
This post was edited on 11/7/22 at 11:29 am
Posted on 11/7/22 at 12:01 pm to lsupride87
Looks like 2 hands on the ball with a knee down.
Obviously this changes nothing and I think most agree the rule needs a tweak or change.
Posted on 11/7/22 at 12:35 pm to ceretonia
Then by that rule the 7 OT game against A&M should have never happened. We would have won in regulation.
Posted on 11/7/22 at 12:37 pm to lsupride87
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But brooks having the ball in both hands isnt possession. Both can’t be true. They got one call wrong
This! And it’s been my problem with this call the whole time.
Posted on 11/7/22 at 12:38 pm to DontPokeTheBear
The replay official subjectively ruled that the LSU player did not have "possession" of the ball. He needed irrefutable video evidence to make that conclusion. If he didn't have it the call on the field stands.
Who is that official and what was his reasoning behind the criteria he relied on to make the no possession determination and how does he explain the difference between this ruling and the Mond ruling?
Inquiring minds want to know.
And while he's at it I'd also like to hear him explain how he did not see irrefutable video evidence of the finger-tipped pass which should have negated the PI? The ESPN video replay expert saw it on the very first replay and made an immediate (correct) ruling??
Funny how those things seem to happen in Alabama games more than others???
Who is that official and what was his reasoning behind the criteria he relied on to make the no possession determination and how does he explain the difference between this ruling and the Mond ruling?
Inquiring minds want to know.
And while he's at it I'd also like to hear him explain how he did not see irrefutable video evidence of the finger-tipped pass which should have negated the PI? The ESPN video replay expert saw it on the very first replay and made an immediate (correct) ruling??
Funny how those things seem to happen in Alabama games more than others???
Posted on 11/7/22 at 12:41 pm to droliver
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It's a weird play and a rule that produced something that doesn't feel right (UA retaining the ball), but they got the call correct.
But as an out of bounds player, he should not be allowed to impact a live ball without re-establishing himself first.
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