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re: What problem does paying players solve?
Posted on 10/1/19 at 10:01 pm to Dawgfanman
Posted on 10/1/19 at 10:01 pm to Dawgfanman
Those thousands willing to do it for free also don't have the same talent level as those that want a "more fair" percentage of the Billions they generate each yr
At Bama for example 85 FB players + 13 MBB players gross about $200 million each season, that small amount of people generating that much money deserve more than tuition, room and board
Plenty of folks are willing to Coach Bama for $9MM Per yr, but very few have Saban's talent
Saying that thousands would do it for free is too simplistic
Also, why do Saban, Kirby, and Dabo get to benefit from a free mkt and not the players
My last thought is this, if you're watching your favorite college team play and at a critical moment a player on your team makes a huge game changing play, why would you care whether or not that player got paid money above his scholarship, at the moment of that game changing play aren't you happy and entertained?
Why no outrage at $9MM Head Coaches, but tons of outrage at players on the front lines that want $50K+ on top of their scholarship
The amateur model has been broken for many years, I don't understand all the love for a corrupt organization like the NCAA
At Bama for example 85 FB players + 13 MBB players gross about $200 million each season, that small amount of people generating that much money deserve more than tuition, room and board
Plenty of folks are willing to Coach Bama for $9MM Per yr, but very few have Saban's talent
Saying that thousands would do it for free is too simplistic
Also, why do Saban, Kirby, and Dabo get to benefit from a free mkt and not the players
My last thought is this, if you're watching your favorite college team play and at a critical moment a player on your team makes a huge game changing play, why would you care whether or not that player got paid money above his scholarship, at the moment of that game changing play aren't you happy and entertained?
Why no outrage at $9MM Head Coaches, but tons of outrage at players on the front lines that want $50K+ on top of their scholarship
The amateur model has been broken for many years, I don't understand all the love for a corrupt organization like the NCAA
This post was edited on 10/1/19 at 10:07 pm
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Posted on 10/1/19 at 10:12 pm to PeeJayScammedGT
There’s plenty of outrage and overall disgust at coaching salaries.
Posted on 10/1/19 at 10:15 pm to Dawgfanman
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What problem does paying players solve?
The problem of them being legally unable to maximize their value.
If a player is worth more than what they are currently getting, why should we cap them?
Posted on 10/1/19 at 10:23 pm to Dawgfanman
College football is a multi-billion dollar industry, and the very people who drive the business get the tiniest fraction of the pie, which is unfair. I don’t think players should be paid directly by the school itself, because at this point it would open up an enormous can of worms, but they should be allowed to profit indirectly through endorsements, appearances, and etc.
This post was edited on 10/1/19 at 10:35 pm
Posted on 10/1/19 at 10:29 pm to ChexMix
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Its virtue signalling.
those poor athletes already receive a free education, free housing, free meals and a lifetime network for jobs
but yeah, their so under paid
Except they are. Or at least the top tier.... Trevor Lawrence and Tua could be doing nationally broadcast commercials. Local businesses would love to put local college players in their ads. If people are willing to pay them, why are we preventing them from cashing that check?
Posted on 10/1/19 at 10:37 pm to Dawgfanman
Puts the money out in the open instead of just certain schools getting to cheat and others have to follow rules. It really does nothing but level the playing field where the NCAA cant control it. The same schools are going to be at the top but with the talent alittle more spread out.
I'm not for paying players but it's the only way to make cheating a fair game and no one will have a reason to hide it except from the Irs. And does way with the NCAA and their crooked ways.
I'm not for paying players but it's the only way to make cheating a fair game and no one will have a reason to hide it except from the Irs. And does way with the NCAA and their crooked ways.
This post was edited on 10/1/19 at 10:41 pm
Posted on 10/2/19 at 9:47 pm to jlovel7
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There’s plenty of outrage and overall disgust at coaching salaries.
Really?
I've been reading various message boards for 20 plus years, NEVER have I ever read any poster say that they would STOP WATCHING CFB if Coaching salaries kept going up
It seems pretty obvious that the disgust over coaching salaries is a LOT LESS than the disgust over Players getting endorsement money
I wonder what's the difference between the coaches and the players?
Why the difference in the severity of the threats?
One group wants a drop in the bucket money wise and you get threats of quitting CFB forever
The other group sees top salaries go from $2MM per yr to $9MM per yr in the blink of an eye yet no talk of giving up CFB forever
Hmmm?
Posted on 10/2/19 at 10:25 pm to Dawgfanman
I posted this on another thread, but it seems relevant:
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Let me frame this a little differently:
1) The scholarship system pre-dates the era of College football on tv.
2) A market was created where a market did not exist (tv $$$). Great capitalism in the sense that lots of money could be achieved doing what was already currently being done.
How this has manifested itself is through outrageous coaching salaries, updated facilities, and offsetting non-revenue making sports. This was necessary to retain the amateur status. The problem is that there has been a huge influx of cash, but the people performing the work, the student athletes, have received minimal impact from this. I say minimal because there are the benefits of better facilities, but nothing tangible to enhance the scholarship system that pre-dated this influx of cash.
3) This new bill is simply another revenue stream that is being created with the appearance of balancing the problem in number 2, but it does not. It does not address the real problem of inequity. It is just a poor way of trying to fix it. It also opens the door to unfair recruiting.
The root cause of this problem is taking an amateur sport and monetizing it. You can make a pretty good argument that by doing this, it has caused collegiate sports to become semi-pro sports in the sense that this is the training ground for achieving the next level; however, the student athlete is not receiving much more benefit than under the old scholarship system. That is where the inequity resides. Everyone else has benefited from the huge influx of dollars except for the people that are the actual product on the field.
I boil it down to this: is the NCAA an amateur sport organization or is it a business. Over the last several decades, its acted more like a business. This governing body has been reaping the benefits of this influx of money as well. Finally, if you are a business, you can't run a business without compensating the employees.
At this point, I don't know how to fix this problem since it was really created probably 20+ years ago.
Posted on 10/3/19 at 2:41 pm to Dawgfanman
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No, I will soon be paying for two children to attend College. They may get some scholarships, but part of what I’ll be finding will go to mandatory fees that get spent on providing these poor players with food/clothing/housing/training/education. Like any consumer, I have an opinion on what my money pays for..if they get paid they shouldn’t get the other stuff. If they get both then the other students shouldn’t pay these fees.
You couldn't be more wrong
This Athletic Fees or Activity Fees depending on what school you're at don't pay for CFB or MBB at the P5 big time schools, those fees are about 4%-5% of Athletic Budgets on average
Those fees pay for NON REVENUE and TITLE IX Sports, the revenue producing Sports pay their own freight, Baseball is a break even sport at most colleges
Do the research, I have stated proven facts above
Now if you're still angry you can direct your vitriol at TITLE IX Sports dominated by WHITE FEMALES and non Revenue Men's Sports dominated by WHITE MALES
Now that you know WHERE to direct your anger, be angry as hell, have at it
Posted on 10/3/19 at 3:12 pm to WarEagleTho
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Moving money to the party taking on the risk
I take it you think High School players should be paid, too?
Posted on 10/3/19 at 3:16 pm to Dawgfanman
Pay them...
and make them pay for everything that they were getting for free before
and make them pay for everything that they were getting for free before
Posted on 10/3/19 at 3:28 pm to Dawgfanman
I'm fine with the players getting paid but I also think they should have to pay taxes on it and the value of the education they are getting. We all have to pay taxes for any income and perks we get in our jobs, don't see why it would be any different for them.
Posted on 10/3/19 at 3:28 pm to PeeJayScammedGT
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Those fees pay for NON REVENUE and TITLE IX Sports, the revenue producing Sports pay their own freight, Baseball is a break even sport at most colleges
You really believe they split up student activity fees direct them only to Title IX sports?
It all goes into the athletic budget. Football money goes to support those other sports. Football makes a profit. basketball makes a small profit but in general breaks even and the rest lose money. If you take money out of the athletic budget to pay football players (And, of course pay all the other athletes, because you can't JUST pay the football players, because of Title IX) you will see all the fringe sports going away. You will eventually see colleges with Football and basketball....and MAYBE baseball, but I doubt that Football and men and women's basketball and, of course at least one or two other women's sports to satisfy Title IX requirements.
quote:What sports do you think are revenue sports?
Those fees pay for NON REVENUE and TITLE IX Sports, the revenue producing Sports pay their own freight, Baseball is a break even sport at most colleges
Here is a link to a breakdown of Rutgers athletics. Every sport (Including football) lost money.
Rutgers Breakdown
Granted this is an old article, but I doubt it has changed a lot.
Here is another nice article you won't like:
Only 20 colleges make money off sports That is...FBS schools. The number is probably loswer for smaller schools.
Only two sports were profitable at FBS schools, according to the report. Football programs netted a median profit of slightly more than $3 million and men’s basketball netted a median $340,000. But the profits at most schools quickly vanished after paying for a long list of other intercollegiate teams, all of which lose money. The median loss among of athletic departments was $11.6 million.
According to the report, all athletic departments outside of the FBS operate in the red. In other words, only 20 of the 1,083 college sports programs in the nation are profitable.
So much for your "facts".
This post was edited on 10/3/19 at 3:29 pm
Posted on 10/3/19 at 3:30 pm to PeeJayScammedGT
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Now if you're still angry you can direct your vitriol at TITLE IX Sports dominated by WHITE FEMALES and non Revenue Men's Sports dominated by WHITE MALES
You are under the impression that the majority of college athletes are white?
And what does race have to do with anything anyway?
Dude.
Posted on 10/3/19 at 3:39 pm to PeeJayScammedGT
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This Athletic Fees or Activity Fees depending on what school you're at don't pay for CFB or MBB at the P5 big time schools, those fees are about 4%-5% of Athletic Budgets on average
And since I enjoy showing how ill informed GT people are, here is a direct quote from Ohio State University about Student Activity Fess.
Q: What is the Student Activity Fee?
A: It is a fee charged to all undergraduate, graduate, and professional students each academic term (autumn, spring, and summer). The fee is used to fund major campus events planned by the Ohio Union Activities Board, student organizations, student governments, the Discount Ticket program, Buck-I-SERV (the alternative breaks program), select local community service initiatives planned by Pay It Forward and some of Ohio State's largest and most traditional campus programs, called Signature Events. LINK
Do the research, I have stated proven facts above
I have to ask. Where in the world did you get those "Proven facts"?
This post was edited on 10/3/19 at 3:41 pm
Posted on 10/3/19 at 3:53 pm to Dawgfanman
It’s a free market
The players are the product so let them profit from their skills
Hell they get paid under the table already anyways
The players are the product so let them profit from their skills
Hell they get paid under the table already anyways
Posted on 10/3/19 at 4:03 pm to DrKnievel
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The root cause of this problem is taking an amateur sport and monetizing it.
This right here.
I think NCAA v. Board of Regents of the University of Oklahoma (1984) is what really got the ball rolling toward where we are today. For those of you who don't know, that was the SCOTUS ruling that took TV rights to games away from the NCAA and turned them over to the various conferences. Before that ruling, it was somewhat rare to see your team play a nationally televised game. It might have happened once or twice a year, but that's only if you were good.
This post was edited on 10/3/19 at 4:04 pm
Posted on 10/3/19 at 4:16 pm to Dawgfanman
These guys don’t get the recognition because of the talent they possess but the brand of the school. It’s why all these pro leagues like the USFL and whatnot (that have better players than colleges) always fail.
More people would rather watch a future accountant in an Alabama uniform than a stud play for the Birmingham Iron.
More people would rather watch a future accountant in an Alabama uniform than a stud play for the Birmingham Iron.
Posted on 10/3/19 at 4:47 pm to kmdawg17
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Pay them...
and make them pay for everything that they were getting for free before
That won't work
Another college with deep pockets will simply say come to our school, we'll allow you to have both, so if one school tried to be hard asses they simply make the next school more attractive
What you jealous guys don't realize is that talented players will always have leverage that untalented jealous folks like you don't have
If 85 guys can use their talents to get HCs $5 to $9MM salaries, then someone is always gonna offer them a full ride even if they do get endorsements
Anger & jealousy won't stop this movement, too much money flowing around the Top Athletic schools
Posted on 10/3/19 at 4:50 pm to Dawgfanman
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Are these kids starving?
I’ll never understand this point. Do they have to be starving to profit off their own likeness and image in America?
I still feel like too many people don’t understand the difference between allowing players to profit from their own image vs paying players
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