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re: What problem does paying players solve?

Posted on 10/1/19 at 8:08 pm to
Posted by Dawgfanman
Member since Jun 2015
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Posted on 10/1/19 at 8:08 pm to
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Your kids are not inhibited from getting a job IN THEIR FIELD OF STUDY while still on scholarship to help THEM pay for everything. That’s the point. The NCAA is specifically inhibiting one group from being able to do that while no other scholarship group has those inhibitions places on them.

It’s a school. No other group on scholarship has as low an academic profile as football and basketball players. I guess being able to attend Michigan after earning a C average in HS taking the easiest classes and getting a 18 on the ACT comes with some additional restrictions.
Posted by J2thaROC
Member since May 2018
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Posted on 10/1/19 at 8:11 pm to
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It’s a school. No other group on scholarship has as low an academic profile as football and basketball players. I guess being able to attend Michigan after earning a C average in HS taking the easiest classes and getting a 18 on the ACT comes with some additional restrictions.


The school chooses to do this BECAUSE they make money off these athletes. That’s not the fault of the athlete. If these big boy schools didn’t lower the standard, these players would end up at lower standard schools who would then make the money because people want to see the best athletes play.


There’s a reason why the NFL and Major League Baseball is popular and the XFL failed and minor league baseball has to beg people to come to games
This post was edited on 10/1/19 at 8:14 pm
Posted by gatorhata9
Dallas, TX
Member since Dec 2010
26174 posts
Posted on 10/1/19 at 8:11 pm to
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It’s a school. No other group on scholarship has as low an academic profile as football and basketball players. I guess being able to attend Michigan after earning a C average in HS taking the easiest classes and getting a 18 on the ACT comes with some additional restrictions


I honestly don’t know what point you’re trying to make anymore. Because the barrier of entry is lower, they shouldn’t be treated like any other students on scholarship and profit off of their talents, regardless of what those may be?
Posted by jlovel7
Louisiana
Member since Aug 2014
21305 posts
Posted on 10/1/19 at 8:20 pm to
I support the profit off your likeness model but the compromise is football players now have to pay tuition, room and board, athletic facilities fees, marketing fees. Those things aren’t worth anything apparently so that shouldn’t be too hard.
This post was edited on 10/1/19 at 8:20 pm
Posted by Dawgfanman
Member since Jun 2015
22250 posts
Posted on 10/1/19 at 8:21 pm to
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I honestly don’t know what point you’re trying to make anymore. Because the barrier of entry is lower, they shouldn’t be treated like any other students on scholarship and profit off of their talents, regardless of what those may be?


They already aren’t treated like any other student. They get academic, nutritional, medical, care/help far beyond that of other students on scholarship. You want them treated like other scholarship students? Of course not, and they don’t want that either.
Posted by WarEagleTho
Atlantic City
Member since Aug 2019
704 posts
Posted on 10/1/19 at 8:22 pm to
Y’all are some whiny bitches. Can’t you accept some people will get more in life than you,just as you get more in life than some?
Posted by GRTiger
On a roof eating alligator pie
Member since Dec 2008
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Posted on 10/1/19 at 8:25 pm to
There is no problem. It's an entitlement issue. Whether you believe they are entitled or not is the question, but as you say, nobody would stop playing college football if none of this stuff came up.
Posted by tylerdurden24
Member since Sep 2009
46451 posts
Posted on 10/1/19 at 8:27 pm to
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What problem does paying players solve?

Well, you see, when someone wants something in a capitalist society they have the power to pay someone for that good or service. So if the problem is “I need a recognizable spokesperson for my business” or “I want my team to be better and I believe high school player x can help” then paying a player can solve those types of problems.
Posted by narddogg81
Vancouver
Member since Jan 2012
19680 posts
Posted on 10/1/19 at 8:28 pm to
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Moving money to the party taking on the risk
that would be the school investing 100s of millions of dollars into these stadiums, facilities, player support programs, medical care and training etc, etc. The thing is, these guys likenesses are not worth anything until the University gives them a platform to get famous. How much is 4 years worth of pro level athletic and sports training cost on top of the value of a scholarship, free room and board, stipend, etc etc etc?
This post was edited on 10/1/19 at 8:30 pm
Posted by jlovel7
Louisiana
Member since Aug 2014
21305 posts
Posted on 10/1/19 at 8:37 pm to
Seeing as we are the fans that create the profits of college football id say we’re entitled to an opinion it’s not that I don’t want these kids to have. But they want to destroy the competitive balance to get it. That’s a deal breaker.
Posted by gatorhata9
Dallas, TX
Member since Dec 2010
26174 posts
Posted on 10/1/19 at 8:40 pm to
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They already aren’t treated like any other student. They get academic, nutritional, medical, care/help far beyond that of other students on scholarship. You want them treated like other scholarship students? Of course not, and they don’t want that either.


And for a lot of college athletes, this is enough. But do you not have an issue with the fact that a university and brand can make millions in jersey sales for a particular player and the player gets nothing? The player is the one creating the value, why shouldn’t they be compensated?
Posted by jlovel7
Louisiana
Member since Aug 2014
21305 posts
Posted on 10/1/19 at 8:41 pm to
Honest to god I wish they’d stop selling jerseys and player centric paraphernalia
Posted by Dawgfanman
Member since Jun 2015
22250 posts
Posted on 10/1/19 at 8:43 pm to
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And for a lot of college athletes, this is enough. But do you not have an issue with the fact that a university and brand can make millions in jersey sales for a particular player and the player gets nothing?

They don’t get nothing. They get all I listed and more. You increase pay for employees (and that is what they are) to either retain them or when you have problems filling positions. CFB has neither problem.
Posted by gatorhata9
Dallas, TX
Member since Dec 2010
26174 posts
Posted on 10/1/19 at 8:49 pm to
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They don’t get nothing. They get all I listed and more. You increase pay for employees (and that is what they are) to either retain them or when you have problems filling positions. CFB has neither problem.


No, you provide bonuses to employees who outperform and outproduce their colleagues. Same concept.
Posted by Dawgfanman
Member since Jun 2015
22250 posts
Posted on 10/1/19 at 8:52 pm to
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No, you provide bonuses to employees who outperform and outproduce their colleagues. Same concept.


Bonuses are to incentivize people to produce more in the future. It’s the tease. No one cares what you did for them, only what you can do for them.

And if you have people beating down your door to take the job without bonuses (and that’s the case here) then you don’t offer them at all.
Posted by deeprig9
Unincorporated Ozora, Georgia
Member since Sep 2012
63922 posts
Posted on 10/1/19 at 8:56 pm to
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No they can't. They have to wait three years before they can enter the NFL Draft.


Yes they can. The Canadian League will pay good money if all the 5*'s and alot of the 4*s want to play for them right out of high school.

Europe too.

Posted by tylerdurden24
Member since Sep 2009
46451 posts
Posted on 10/1/19 at 9:01 pm to
Just want to be sure we are all aware that 1. Athletes never have been and never will be classified as employees by universities or the NCAA and 2. these bills aren’t seeking to make athletes employees nor are they proposing that universities pay players
Posted by CrabInMyShoeMouth
Member since Jul 2016
2486 posts
Posted on 10/1/19 at 9:17 pm to
When these kids sign on it is a free college education for playing football. That's not a bad deal, obviously.

What is a bad deal is when you see Nike selling your number, it's only selling because it's your number, and Nike takes home 100%. You wouldn't have a problem with that? Some are gullible enough not to, but most would.
Posted by patchesohoulihan_007
Member since Jul 2015
2057 posts
Posted on 10/1/19 at 9:34 pm to
Actually there have been a few stories about athletes going hungry, but that isn’t the point.

This is a billion dollar industry and to not pay the kids/allow them to profit off their skills is asinine.

In any other case, they can profit. The other post about the piano player, a kid who is a math wiz can go work for some company putting his skills to work and not void his scholarship.

What is your argument for keeping them unpaid? Just bc that’s the way it is why change it?
Posted by RT1941
Member since May 2007
30202 posts
Posted on 10/1/19 at 9:52 pm to
Allowing players to hire agents and to enter into endorsement contracts opens up a can of shite that can’t ever be contained again. Just on the high school level, things will get out of hand before the kid ever signs with a school.
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