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re: What is your honest opinion of Matt Canadas

Posted on 8/21/17 at 3:11 pm to
Posted by the_watcher
Jarule's House
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Posted on 8/21/17 at 3:11 pm to
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Hurts was awful against the good teams too


You're comparing a true freshman to a 4th year junior. Even given that discrepancy, Hurts was still better vs. than the 3 teams being mentioned.

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Etlings stats were not any worse than half the other QBs in the SEC.


Yes they were. Come back to the real world

Passing Yards - 10th
Touchdowns - 10th
Completion % - 8th
QB Rating - 7th
Completions - 10th
Yards per attempt - 5th LINK

Look, when you have to defend your starting qb this much vs. unbiased opinions, your qb probably just isn't that good. But but but his td/int ratio was 2.2 to 1 and Nathan Peterman's junior year his was 2.5 to 1. See! Negligible difference you don't understand ratios! Dude, the difference is 20 touchdowns to 11. I just don't understand why LSU fans can't make an objective judgement on his ability, or lack thereof.

Posted by thunderbird1100
GSU Eagles fan
Member since Oct 2007
68289 posts
Posted on 8/21/17 at 3:20 pm to
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You're comparing a true freshman to a 4th year junior. Even given that discrepancy, Hurts was still better vs. than the 3 teams being mentioned.



It was a troll post.


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Look, when you have to defend your starting qb this much vs. unbiased opinions, your qb probably just isn't that good. But but but his td/int ratio was 2.2 to 1 and Nathan Peterman's junior year his was 2.5 to 1. See! Negligible difference you don't understand ratios! Dude, the difference is 20 touchdowns to 11. I just don't understand why LSU fans can't make an objective judgement on his ability, or lack thereof.



I did not post that 2nd thing you quoted, so not sure why you are addressing this like I did everything.

I was using facts, and the facts say that OVERALL Etling's junior season and Peterman's junior season were very similar. A passer rating difference of THREE points is very negligible. You can try and nitpick whatever you want, passer rating looks at everything related to passing, completeion %, yards per attempt, TD%, INT%, etc...the difference in the two seasons passing boiled down to a 138.57 for Peterman and 135.54 for Etling. Peterman had a better TD% and completion %, Etling better YPA, INT%. It all boiled down to a minute difference in how effective they were as passers overall.

The comparison here is simply to point out Peterman was basically an unknown before Canada coached him last season. He was as mediocre as Etling was. Also, if you actually watched Peterman last season under Canada, he does NOTHING special. Simply made a lot of fairly easy throws. Something Etling is definitely capable of. We've has such crap for offense and QB development for years it's like we just assume it can never get better. Heck I remember the jump Mettenberger made from his junior to senior season. Now Etling doesnt have that kind of talent, but he's pretty dang similar to Peterman in a lot of respects, and Canada made him look a lot better than he really was. Sometimes great coaches can make mediocre talents look really good - happens a lot in the Big XII (see Baker Mayfield).

People who just randomly look at Peterman's stats last year and just assume "oh he was a great QB" because his passer rating was so good, no, he was a solid QB who simply executed easy passes very well overall. It's not like Canada was making Peterman throw 15 yard outs and 30-40 yard fades, and a ton of timing routes; watch the tape and see how easy Peterman had it.

Kiffin with Blake Sims is another good example of taking a pedestrian talent and elevating to play at what appeared to be a high level, but it was just executing simple things.
This post was edited on 8/21/17 at 3:25 pm
Posted by the_watcher
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Member since Nov 2005
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Posted on 8/21/17 at 3:34 pm to
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I did not post that 2nd thing you quoted, so not sure why you are addressing this like I did everything.


Because it's impossible to reply to two people at one time. AshLSU said that. And he was dead wrong.

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Also, if you actually watched Peterman last season under Canada, he does NOTHING special. Simply made a lot of fairly easy throws. Something Etling is definitely capable of.

Is he capable? Or do you as a fan just really hope that he is? He's done nothing in his 4 year college career so far to suggest otherwise. Go back and watch the games from last year. It's really bad. Short arming throws, skipping them into the dirt, checking down far too early on third and long situations, etc. It goes on and on. Go back and watch his interception vs. Louisville on the first play after Arden Key's safety. Late in the 3rd quarter vs Auburn, Etling had a total of 31 passing yards. People point to the Florida game saying he played well, but we had turnovers. Over half of his 14 completions were check downs to running backs and tight ends. We got 6 total first downs vs. Bama. LSU averaged 7.6 points per game vs the 3 best defenses they played. You made a big deal about using facts. These are all facts as well.

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Canada made him look a lot better than he really was.

Peterman got drafted in the 5th round. The NFL doesn't just draft you because you had one year under a different OC that magically made you better than you actually were. Peterman is a good enough arm talent to warrant using a draft pick on. Do you really believe Etling is going to get drafted next year?
Posted by thunderbird1100
GSU Eagles fan
Member since Oct 2007
68289 posts
Posted on 8/21/17 at 3:46 pm to
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Is he capable?


Did you watch him play at all last year? We still tried to throw it deep probably too much which is by far his worst thing. When we kept things easy and rhythm passing (mostly short, some intermediate) he was pretty decent. Now, the Alabama game was just awful all around, but outside of that when Miles was gone, Etling looked a lot more comfortable spreading the ball around as quickly as possible instead of trying to complete a bunch of NFL throws which we know he's never going to be good at.


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Over half of his 14 completions were check downs to running backs and tight ends.


Which is exactly what we need more of. Not a "frick it, throw it deep" mentality when your first read isn't there. What moves the chains? Get it out to a playmaker and let them do their thing. Are you telling me we shouldn't be giving it to guys like Guice and Chark sooner or have Etling throw it more downfield which we know he's not good at? I'll gladly take Guice on a dump off pass or Chark on a misdirection run play. A lot of Canada's Pitt offense that he's installing here for Etling is predicated around deception to help your QB out, that could be really big. Make defenses cover the whole field and every play.


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Peterman got drafted in the 5th round.


Yes, after:

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Canada made him look a lot better than he really was.


That's the point here. You think Peterman was on draft boards before Canada coached him? Hell no, again, he had a season very similar to Etling's last year.

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Peterman is a good enough arm talent to warrant using a draft pick on


His arm was completely average. The fact is Canada made him look very good overall in his offense last year and helped him get drafted. Again, do you think he gets drafted if he had a similar year to his junior year? Not even close.


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Do you really believe Etling is going to get drafted next year?


If Canada makes him look good enough like he did Peterman anything can happen. Hell Matt Flynn got taken on a 7th round flyer pick and that dude's arm was weak as shite.
Posted by ccomeaux
LA
Member since Jan 2010
8184 posts
Posted on 8/21/17 at 3:50 pm to
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I've heard that that his offense at LSU will be much more complex than what he was running at Pitt. A friend of mine is a GA on the staff and I've been told that it is a huge improvement on previous schemes. However, it will more than likely take a couple of games for the players to gel under a new offense. It will help that y'all have two warmup games before SEC play.


much less complex than what we had before so the players will benefit.
This post was edited on 8/21/17 at 3:52 pm
Posted by Commander Data
Baton Rouge, La
Member since Dec 2016
7289 posts
Posted on 8/21/17 at 3:52 pm to
Of course it can be done in one year. He will have elite skilled talent at his disposal and he got things done with smaller and slower guys before. Etling will decide how much the offense improves. He doesn't have to be Eli Manning for it to work. He just needs to hit the high percentage throws and not throw picks.
Posted by AU_251
Your dads room
Member since Feb 2013
11559 posts
Posted on 8/21/17 at 4:09 pm to
So, OP asked a question. I answered question, and you went in on this tyrade trying to convince me otherwise.

yep, LSU fan, checks out.

Idk where you all got this story that Canada is incredible. I never said he wasn't good. But he is not a savant. But LSU doesn't need the best offense in the land to be the best team. However, Ed O will have something to say about that...

and just like I said earlier, Etling will inhibit the offense
This post was edited on 8/21/17 at 4:11 pm
Posted by lsuson
Metairie
Member since Oct 2013
12144 posts
Posted on 8/21/17 at 4:18 pm to
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See! Negligible difference you don't understand ratios! Dude, the difference is 20 touchdowns to 11. I just don't understand why LSU fans can't make an objective judgement on his ability, or lack thereof.


I'd bet that LSU also had twice as many rushing touchdowns than Pitt did. See how that works??
Posted by JCinBAMA
North of Huntsville
Member since Oct 2009
17584 posts
Posted on 8/21/17 at 4:21 pm to
Well he's going to lose by 21 to Bama in Tuscaloosa...
so how good do you think he is?


>moneyline<
This post was edited on 8/21/17 at 4:23 pm
Posted by ChexMix
Taste the Deliciousness
Member since Apr 2014
24859 posts
Posted on 8/21/17 at 4:33 pm to
quote:

What is your honest opinion of Matt Canadas
He is an ACC offensive coordinator.

Average at best
Posted by the_watcher
Jarule's House
Member since Nov 2005
3450 posts
Posted on 8/21/17 at 4:38 pm to
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I'd bet that LSU also had twice as many rushing touchdowns than Pitt did. See how that works??


In 2016, Pittsburgh had 36 rushing touchdowns. In 2016, LSU had 30 rushing touchdowns

Please tell me, how does that work?
Posted by remaster916
Alabama
Member since Oct 2012
12220 posts
Posted on 8/21/17 at 4:45 pm to
Who?
Posted by BoardReader
Arkansas
Member since Dec 2007
6926 posts
Posted on 8/21/17 at 4:55 pm to
Everything works out ideally, and you have a league average QB. Which is a significant upgrade, but not enough.
Posted by lsuson
Metairie
Member since Oct 2013
12144 posts
Posted on 8/21/17 at 5:00 pm to
If I remember correctly he was a Broyles award finalist. Anybody on Alabama staff get nominated???
Posted by Commander Data
Baton Rouge, La
Member since Dec 2016
7289 posts
Posted on 8/21/17 at 5:58 pm to
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I remember correctly he was a Broyles award finalist. Anybody on Alabama staff get nominated???


Of course not. We only have scrubs on Saban's staff bro. LSU has all of the elite coaches. Yep, that's it.
Posted by JRBayoutiger
Down da bayou
Member since Nov 2015
754 posts
Posted on 8/21/17 at 6:29 pm to
Etling had 2.5 less games than Peterman also was hurt all year.
Posted by Commander Data
Baton Rouge, La
Member since Dec 2016
7289 posts
Posted on 8/21/17 at 6:50 pm to
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Etling had 2.5 less games than Peterman also was hurt all year.


A year under his belt is huge for Etling. You guys will be better this year. We will see how much more soon enough.
Posted by BowlJackson
Birmingham, AL
Member since Sep 2013
52881 posts
Posted on 8/21/17 at 7:45 pm to
If Jarrett Stidham has to prove himself against SEC defenses despite already looking good in another conference against some mediocre defenses, then so does Canada
Posted by LatinTiger30
New Orleans
Member since Oct 2007
4428 posts
Posted on 8/21/17 at 7:57 pm to
You guys are stupid! Etling is a 5th year senior. The coaches trust his decision making. No doubt he will have his ups and downs during the season, but that's football. I expect LSU to start slow, but once we start clinking on all cylinders, look out!

Also, our defense will super salty this year!

I see us winning no less than 9-10 games.



Posted by TigerSpy
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2006
9897 posts
Posted on 8/21/17 at 7:58 pm to
Anything is better than LesCam
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