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Was Toby G robbed?
Posted on 8/8/26 at 6:43 pm
Posted on 8/8/26 at 6:43 pm
Posted on 8/8/26 at 6:50 pm to Go Go Gata
I had forgotten how much Tebow’s stats dropped off his junior year.
Lots of people here use NFL success as a measure for comparing how they compared in college.
Those people will certainly agree Ingram was the correct choice as he had the best NFL career of those 4.
Lots of people here use NFL success as a measure for comparing how they compared in college.
Those people will certainly agree Ingram was the correct choice as he had the best NFL career of those 4.
This post was edited on 8/8/26 at 6:54 pm
Posted on 8/8/26 at 7:07 pm to Go Go Gata
No.
Ingram showed out on championship Saturday and deserved it.
Dominating the SEC mattered more than dominating the PAC 12.
Ingram showed out on championship Saturday and deserved it.
Dominating the SEC mattered more than dominating the PAC 12.
Posted on 8/8/26 at 7:10 pm to Go Go Gata
Ingram deserved the Heisman that year for the South Carolina game alone. The rest of the offense failed to show up, so Saban basically said, "Mark, I need you to win this game for us all by yourself," and that's exactly what he did.
Posted on 8/8/26 at 7:45 pm to captdalton
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Lots of people here use NFL success as a measure for comparing how they compared in college.
They do?
Posted on 8/8/26 at 8:37 pm to Go Go Gata
No…
…BUT, I miss the era of the big, burly running backs just running through people for 1,500+ yard seasons.
…BUT, I miss the era of the big, burly running backs just running through people for 1,500+ yard seasons.
Posted on 8/8/26 at 8:39 pm to TheTideMustRoll
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Ingram deserved the Heisman that year for the South Carolina game alone. The rest of the offense failed to show up, so Saban basically said, "Mark, I need you to win this game for us all by yourself," and that's exactly what he did.
Couple years before that McFadden decimated South Carolina so bad Spurrier let him off his ballot completely. He should have won it in 2007.
This post was edited on 8/8/26 at 8:41 pm
Posted on 8/8/26 at 8:53 pm to Porter Osborne Jr
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They do?
Yes, it happens regularly.
Posted on 8/8/26 at 8:57 pm to captdalton
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Yes, it happens regularly.
That’s retarded
Posted on 8/8/26 at 9:03 pm to Porter Osborne Jr
Matthew Stafford and Jamarcus Russell are good examples. Many people now think Matthew Stafford is a great QB and Jamarcus Russell is garbage. But that is because of their NFL careers. Not their college careers. Because in college they were very similar, Russell actually had a marginally better final season with a higher rating (167), significantly higher completion percentage (67.8%), more touchdowns (28) and less interceptions (8) his final season in 06 than Stafford did his final season in 08.
The reason many think Stafford is such a superior QB is their NFL careers, not their college career. Because as college QBs Russell was at worst equal to Stafford, and based on most stats he was slightly better than Stafford in college.
But most people will tell you Stafford is a far superior QB to Russell, even though he wasn’t when he played in the SEC. It isn’t taking anything away from Stafford. He is great. But in college so was Russell - but most people remember him as the purple drank #1 pick bust. But none of that changes how he played at LSU. And all of Stafford’s NFL success does nothing to change how he played at Georgia.
The reason many think Stafford is such a superior QB is their NFL careers, not their college career. Because as college QBs Russell was at worst equal to Stafford, and based on most stats he was slightly better than Stafford in college.
But most people will tell you Stafford is a far superior QB to Russell, even though he wasn’t when he played in the SEC. It isn’t taking anything away from Stafford. He is great. But in college so was Russell - but most people remember him as the purple drank #1 pick bust. But none of that changes how he played at LSU. And all of Stafford’s NFL success does nothing to change how he played at Georgia.
This post was edited on 8/8/26 at 9:27 pm
Posted on 8/8/26 at 9:05 pm to Porter Osborne Jr
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That’s retarded
Says the guy who barks at people.
Posted on 8/8/26 at 9:08 pm to captdalton
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Says the guy who barks at people.
I guess it’s better than being a fat pos who has tattoos of bama football coaches
Posted on 8/8/26 at 9:12 pm to Porter Osborne Jr
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Lots of people here use NFL success as a measure for comparing how they compared in college.
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They do?
Well, it sounded good.
Posted on 8/8/26 at 9:14 pm to Porter Osborne Jr
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I guess it’s better than being a fat pos who has tattoos of bama football coaches
There are Georgia fans with tattoos of Kirby who bark at people. That is a double whammy.
This post was edited on 8/8/26 at 9:16 pm
Posted on 8/8/26 at 9:20 pm to Go Go Gata
Best way to get SEC fans incredibly invested in a random player from across the country, make sure they are a Heisman finalist in a year that a Saban era Alabama player won it.
Posted on 8/9/26 at 4:39 am to captdalton
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Lots of people here use NFL success as a measure for comparing how they compared in college.
No they don't. Tebow was a great college quarterback/fullback but a total dud in the pros. Plus, he had Percy Harvin who was equally responsible for the Gators success.
Ingram deserved it and played on a championship team.
Plus, the valuation of college players is more influenced by the media than the pro game and the Heisman has such regional bias baked into it's selection.
This post was edited on 8/9/26 at 9:12 am
Posted on 8/9/26 at 8:49 am to captdalton
Tebow also added 910 rushing yards and 14 rushing TDs. That’s not included in the screenshot in OP.
Posted on 8/9/26 at 8:53 am to captdalton
Yeah but to be fair qb is a different animal in college than the nfl, in college a system qb can thrive(Mike leach, art briles, spurrier), a qb can get by with legs(manziel, Tebow) but in the nfl if you can’t sit in the pocket, read a defense, and make a clean throw youll fail.
Posted on 8/9/26 at 9:17 am to Tornado Alley
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Tebow also added 910 rushing yards and 14 rushing TDs. That’s not included in the screenshot in OP.
Also, Ingram added another 334 receiving yards and 3 TD receptions in 2009. That's no Roger Craig 1000/1000 feat but I recall Gerhart not being a big of an impact in the receiving game.
Ultimately, stats really aren't the determining factor in these national awards. Sometimes a QB will lose the top QB award to a player who threw for 1000 or more fewer yards than them, etc.
Gerhart had a great season and felt like a throwback even in 2009. Nothing but respect for the man. However, Ingram damn near singlehandedly carried an offense to a 13-0 record and a shot at the national title.
Frankly, Tebow was probably going to win it if he led Florida to a 13-0 record, back-to-back SEC championships, and a shot at a repeat national title. Florida getting dominated in the SECCG unexpectedly - by the national prognosticators at least - threw the whole vote on its head and this was a year where everyone was waiting for the 1 v. 2 SECCG. Not many early ballots I recall.
Posted on 8/9/26 at 9:40 am to Go Go Gata
McFadden got the biggest screw job. In 2006, gained over 1,600 yds but Troy Smith won because many voters said a sophomore shouldn't win it. Next year, he gains over 1,800 but Tebow, a sophomore, was elected. Could easily justify McFadden winning both years.
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