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re: Vote to keep 8 game schedule was 13-1
Posted on 5/29/13 at 4:09 pm to FortWorthTide
Posted on 5/29/13 at 4:09 pm to FortWorthTide
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Going to Michigan State
Will not happen, at best it will move to Atlanta or Dallas one year, BIG is going to 9.
And what do think is better, road or neutral game. You may lose one of your home games, but it's only a fame with Troy or some other daisy. Getting half the gate at Dallas or Atlanta ain't bad. And one neutral works pretty good ask, UF-UGA & UT& OU, they wouldn't do it it if it was a losing proposition. Giving up a home for neutral us not a sacrifice when you still get 6 or 7 at home.
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Posted on 5/29/13 at 4:11 pm to Dr RC
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Dr RC
Vote to keep 8 game schedule was 13-1
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And you do realize that those contracts are bought out all the time, don't you?
edit... a couple of examples in the last few years...UT-UNC, Ole Miss- Boise.
And do you realize that we tried to get something done but couldn't?
We had to buy out our original (and only) FCS game with McNeese State on Sept 1 just to get an away game in Shreveport with La Tech. There just were no schools willing or able to work with us last year with the dates we had open.
Well, yeah, if aTm waited six months (as you have suggested) before trying to make a change, then I guess they wouldn't. Or maybe you weren't offering them enough money.
So Sam Houston State wasn't already on the schedule when you bought out McNeese?
Posted on 5/29/13 at 4:12 pm to 3rddownonthe8
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Will not happen, at best it will move to Atlanta or Dallas one year, BIG is going to 9.
This is what I don't get. Again, unless your coach is a coward, going to 9 doesn't have to mean getting rid of one good matchup per year OOC (and yes, that includes home and homes - you just schedule the OOC opponent to come to your place when you have 4 conference games and go to theirs when you have 5).
Posted on 5/29/13 at 4:14 pm to FortWorthTide
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It does improve SOS. The computers prove that.
No it doesn't. All it does is continue more of the same. the 9th game adds 1 team from the other division. But it could as easily be the worst team from the other division as it could be the best team from the other division. there are cupcakes in the SEC, too (ie. Auburn 2012).
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It does improve TV, because Alabama will see UGA, USCe, UF more (and vice versa).
It takes 14 SEC OOC games and turns it into 7 conference games. You actually eliminated 7 games from the TV in an instant.
And as mentioned above, the quality is marginal (ie. more of the same). For every Bama vs UGA, you are adding an extra Bama vs. Vandy or Miss St versus Vandy for that matter).
Additionally, you are encouraging more rematches in the SECCG. And the TV ratings are about half in rematches versus 1st time matchups in the SECCG (which is the only 9th conference game that matters).
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It would remove one cupcake from the schedule. The model would be one good game and two cupcakes/lower tier BCS teams (unless your coach is a pansy)
No, it doesn't. The 9th conference game is taking away a home game from each school. That is going to require the ADs to focus on scheduling more home games (without return trips). And that means adding teams to the schedule that aren't good enough to require a return visit. Ie. you are encouraging more cupcakes and eliminating games like UGA v Clemson, UF v Miami, and South Carolina v UNC.
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but it is coming.
Only if the SEC expands. And there is a chance that expansion does happen.
Read this and let it sink in.
There's a lot of "truth" that the proponents of 9 games forget to mention (and why should the B1G? They aren't smart enough to figure this stuff out on their own)?
This post was edited on 5/29/13 at 4:15 pm
Posted on 5/29/13 at 4:20 pm to BamaGradinTn
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So Sam Houston State wasn't already on the schedule when you bought out McNeese?
nope
it also took until mid February just to get Arky and Jerry (mostly Jerry) to let us have the A&M/Arky game as a 2 year home and home.
Had they not worked with us (thanks again Piggies
) we would have been stuck with just 5 home games.This post was edited on 5/29/13 at 4:24 pm
Posted on 5/29/13 at 4:21 pm to FortWorthTide
A 9th conference game doesn't achieve any of the goals that scheduling an extra, good matchup OOC doesn't get you except rotating through the conference faster. That's it.
Each coach right now has the power to create an equivalent to a 9th conference game on their own schedule. Yet none are doing it on their own so none truly think the benefit outweighs the negatives. It's hardly shocking to see the vote be so one-sided given this. If you are a fan of 9, you are simply going to have to wait until some actual reason comes about (like an SEC team getting pipped out of a playoff spot) for it to happen. And even then you may just see a movement by some schools to improve their OOC schedules.
Each coach right now has the power to create an equivalent to a 9th conference game on their own schedule. Yet none are doing it on their own so none truly think the benefit outweighs the negatives. It's hardly shocking to see the vote be so one-sided given this. If you are a fan of 9, you are simply going to have to wait until some actual reason comes about (like an SEC team getting pipped out of a playoff spot) for it to happen. And even then you may just see a movement by some schools to improve their OOC schedules.
Posted on 5/29/13 at 4:22 pm to Dr RC
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We played two FCS teams last year b/c we lost Arkansas as an OOC.
Also, SMU and Rice both won bowls last year and SHSU was in the FCS title game so its not like we are playing three completely shite teams like Chattanooga, Georgia State, Colorado State.
But don't let facts get in way brah.
Bama plays Georgia State and Chattanooga next year? Takes a lot of balls for them to poke fun of your 2 FCS games last year.
Posted on 5/29/13 at 4:26 pm to Dr RC
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Dr RC
We had to buy out our original (and only) FCS game with McNeese State on Sept 1 just to get an away game in Shreveport with La Tech.
Thanks for the info about the McNeese State game. So aTm has an FCS game scheduled before they ever came into the SEC. I wasn't aware of that. So basically what you're finally admitting to is that aTm was playing FCS teams before they ever came into the SEC, and the issue of playing FCS teams isn't merely a problem with the SEC not following suit with the other conferences.
Posted on 5/29/13 at 4:28 pm to tmc94
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tmc94
Vote to keep 8 game schedule was 13-1
A 9th conference game doesn't achieve any of the goals that scheduling an extra, good matchup OOC doesn't get you except rotating through the conference faster. That's it.
Each coach right now has the power to create an equivalent to a 9th conference game on their own schedule. Yet none are doing it on their own so none truly think the benefit outweighs the negatives. It's
Kindly explain how any one coach can do this on their own.
Posted on 5/29/13 at 4:29 pm to BamaGradinTn
pick up the phone and schedule a real game
Posted on 5/29/13 at 4:30 pm to bgator85
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bgator85
Vote to keep 8 game schedule was 13-1
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We played two FCS teams last year b/c we lost Arkansas as an OOC.
Also, SMU and Rice both won bowls last year and SHSU was in the FCS title game so its not like we are playing three completely shite teams like Chattanooga, Georgia State, Colorado State.
But don't let facts get in way brah.
Bama plays Georgia State and Chattanooga next year? Takes a lot of balls for them to poke fun of your 2 FCS games last year.
I'll ignore, for the moment, the sheer irony of a Gator fan jumping into a discussion about OOC games. Get back to us when you actually leave the state for one.
Posted on 5/29/13 at 4:30 pm to tmc94
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Each coach right now has the power to create an equivalent to a 9th conference game on their own schedule. Yet none are doing it on their own so none truly think the benefit outweighs the negatives. It's hardly shocking to see the vote be so one-sided given this. If you are a fan of 9, you are simply going to have to wait until some actual reason comes about (like an SEC team getting pipped out of a playoff spot) for it to happen. And even then you may just see a movement by some schools to improve their OOC schedules.
You are still eating the fodder from the Big XII regarding OOC schedules in the SEC. Either that or you look at your own OOC and don't get it.
UGA is playing @GT and @ Clemson.
Florida plays FSU and Miami.
South Carolina plays Clemson and North Carolina.
The teams that matter in the East get it.
Outside of that, you have a great post.
Posted on 5/29/13 at 4:30 pm to tmc94
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tmc94
Vote to keep 8 game schedule was 13-1
pick up the phone and schedule a real game
Oh...you mean with a second SEC coach?
I just wanted to clarify that...it isn't something that "each coach" has the power to do on their own...it would require a second coach being willing to do it, negotiating home and away in which years, not to mention the fact that at many schools the coach doesn't make scheduling decisions in a vacuum by themselves.
This post was edited on 5/29/13 at 4:34 pm
Posted on 5/29/13 at 4:32 pm to BamaGradinTn
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I'll ignore, for the moment, the sheer irony of a Gator fan jumping into a discussion about OOC games. Get back to us when you actually leave the state for one.
What an ignorant post.
They play FSU and Miami regularly.
Those are rivalry games also.
Who cares what state the game is in... if it's a good game?
True UGA fans don't care that we play the Gators in Florida... because it's a good game.
That's all that matters.
Drop Ga State from your schedule (or do more home and homes against OOC opponents) and then start to worry about other teams from the East that actually challenge 2 AQ OOC opponents in the same season.
Posted on 5/29/13 at 4:34 pm to BamaGradinTn
of course it's not. We had built a 9-game schedule with Arky, SMU, and a directional or FCS school for several years out before coming to the SEC. No one is suggesting the SEC is alone in scheduling patsies. And no one is even getting on Saban for his actual scheduling practices.
RE: our schedule. Upon getting our 2012 schedule, we already needed to fill 1 extra OOC game with only 8 conference games and then we also needed to replace Arky. The only way to do that was to buyout McNeese to get a weekend an opponent would play. Then we had to buy two more home games since La Tech refused to play us at Kyle first on short notice.
RE: our schedule. Upon getting our 2012 schedule, we already needed to fill 1 extra OOC game with only 8 conference games and then we also needed to replace Arky. The only way to do that was to buyout McNeese to get a weekend an opponent would play. Then we had to buy two more home games since La Tech refused to play us at Kyle first on short notice.
This post was edited on 5/29/13 at 4:36 pm
Posted on 5/29/13 at 4:34 pm to BamaGradinTn
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Thanks for the info about the McNeese State game. So aTm has an FCS game scheduled before they ever came into the SEC. I wasn't aware of that. So basically what you're finally admitting to is that aTm was playing FCS teams before they ever came into the SEC, and the issue of playing FCS teams isn't merely a problem with the SEC not following suit with the other conferences.
I never said playing FCS teams is an SEC issue.
I said playing them LATE in the season is something that seems to only happen in the SEC.
Most teams in other conferences tend to get their OOC out of the way early in the year so its much more likely that you won't have nearly an entire conference all playing an FCS game on the same day.
But when everyone in the SEC saves a spot for a non rivalry OOC game late in the year you are almost always going to have to play an FCS team b/c damn near every other school in the nation will be playing a conference game and is unavailable.
Posted on 5/29/13 at 4:37 pm to meansonny
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meansonny
Vote to keep 8 game schedule was 13-1
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I'll ignore, for the moment, the sheer irony of a Gator fan jumping into a discussion about OOC games. Get back to us when you actually leave the state for one.
What an ignorant post.
They play FSU and Miami regularly.
What's ignorant is to say that Florida plays Miami "regularly". This year will be the second time in the last ten years.
Posted on 5/29/13 at 4:37 pm to BamaGradinTn
no I don't. I know logic is not your strong suit but when I said a good OOC opponent I actually did mean a good OOC opponent.
Posted on 5/29/13 at 4:39 pm to BamaGradinTn
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What's ignorant is to say that Florida plays Miami "regularly". This year will be the second time in the last ten years.
That's a selective sample size.
It's 5 times in the past 13 seasons.
Next year will be 6 times in 14.
They play more away games against AQ OOC opponents than Bama.
Throw stones when you don't live in a glass house.
Posted on 5/29/13 at 4:40 pm to Dr RC
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Dr RC
Vote to keep 8 game schedule was 13-1
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Thanks for the info about the McNeese State game. So aTm has an FCS game scheduled before they ever came into the SEC. I wasn't aware of that. So basically what you're finally admitting to is that aTm was playing FCS teams before they ever came into the SEC, and the issue of playing FCS teams isn't merely a problem with the SEC not following suit with the other conferences.
I never said playing FCS teams is an SEC issue.
I said playing them LATE in the season is something that seems to only happen in the SEC.
Most teams in other conferences tend to get their OOC out of the way early in the year so its much more likely that you won't have nearly an entire conference all playing an FCS game on the same day.
But when everyone in the SEC saves a spot for a non rivalry OOC game late in the year you are almost always going to have to play an FCS team b/c damn near every other school in the nation will be playing a conference game and is unavailable.
The point is that we shouldn't be playing FCS teams at all...early, late, whenever. Whether it's the SEC because they save an OOC game for late in the year, or because teams like aTm pre-SEC wanted to play them just for the sake of playing them, it makes no difference. Most SEC fans seem to like playing conference games as early as we do. Playing a 9th game, especially if it's the next to last game of the year, will help eliminate the FCS games.
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