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re: UGA vs UT -- Matchups, Emotion, Turnovers, & Scheme
Posted on 10/8/20 at 9:42 am to Smokeyone
Posted on 10/8/20 at 9:42 am to Smokeyone
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Rushing stats can be a product of LB play and not really indicative of individual Dline players. How about TFL, Sacks, Solo/assist Tackles from the Dline (exclude LBs and DBs).
The DLs job at Georgia is to allow the LBs to eat. That's what they do, and they do it well.
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Posted on 10/8/20 at 9:59 am to Smokeyone
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Rushing stats can be a product of LB play and not really indicative of individual Dline players.
You can believe what you want to believe. Your opinion may change after Saturday.
Jordan Davis 1 QB Hurry
Malike Herring 4 QB hurries
Travon Walker 2 QB hurries and 1 forced fumble
Devonte Wyatt 2 QB hurries.
Jalen Carter 1 tackle for loss
Kirby's scheme is for the DL to stack and press on the line of scrimmage (force double-teams without giving up the LOS).
The talent shows in their tackles (holding the double team and still making the play at the line of scrimmage).
Jordan Davis 1 solo 4 assisted
Devonte Wyatt 1 solo 3 assisted
Malik Herring 1 solo 3 assisted
Jalen Carter 2 solo
Travon Walker 1 solo 1 assisted
Tymon Mitchell 0 solo 1 assisted (garbage time)
Julian Rochester 0 solo 1 assisted
Warren Brinson 0 solo 1 assisted
Your question directly asks about tackles behind the line of scrimmage.
I'll point to UGA's 2.32 yards per rush as the indicator that these defensive linemen aren't racking stats 5 yards downfield (what's more impressive: Florida's 17 tackles for a loss with an average 3.54 ypc and 3 rushing TDs allowed or UGA's 10 tackles for loss with an average ypc 2.32 and 0 TDs allowed.
Posted on 10/8/20 at 10:10 am to madmaxvol
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UT can go 8 players in rotation on the OL.
I don't think the OL depth will come into play. The starting five shouldn't tire with the 3 and outs.
Posted on 10/8/20 at 10:22 am to Devil03Dawg07
In my opinion, UGA's superior defense will be the difference. UGA will limit UT's running game and UT will have to make plays in the passing game. This is where I think it will unravel for UT. If UGA limits turnovers on offense, they win by 9+.
Posted on 10/8/20 at 10:26 am to Broncothor
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UT can go 8 players in rotation on the OL.
I don't think the OL depth will come into play. The starting five shouldn't tire with the 3 and outs.
The depth is relative to their talent at TE.
Tennessee will go jumbo and use offensive linemen as tight ends (similar to how Auburn used tight ends as split ends to block and run on their screens). They want to go heavy to see if they can force a personnel change from the defense (get players doing what they are not used to doing. Edit to add that Nolan Smith was out on the hash marks as a sam linebacker to handle the tight end blocking scheme from Malzahn. The benefit for UGA is that our guys asked to do something different are 5 star guys)
This post was edited on 10/8/20 at 10:28 am
Posted on 10/8/20 at 10:40 am to Serraneaux
quote:Jake Fromm, you know the average one you probably make fun of UGA for "keeping" over Fields, had one of his best games in his career against UT last year at Neyland.
Big Game Jeremy’s d-backfield
24/29 82.8% 288 YDs 2TD 0INT 188.9 RTG
With Jimothy Cooley as his OC.
One of Fromm's worst games in his time at UGA was actually against Butch Jones' defense in 2017. UT Pass defense on pace to be a little worse than last year, FWIW. Against vaunted throwers such as Colin Hill and whoever is QB for Mizzou.
This post was edited on 10/8/20 at 10:41 am
Posted on 10/8/20 at 10:42 am to Devil03Dawg07
Appreciate the write up, op 
This post was edited on 10/8/20 at 10:43 am
Posted on 10/8/20 at 10:47 am to so_comfort
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The DLs job at Georgia is to allow the LBs to eat. That's what they do, and they do it well.
To take up space and rotate in fresh legs.
Posted on 10/8/20 at 12:30 pm to Robert Goulet
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Appreciate the write up, op
Same here.
I am really looking forward to this game. Tennessee is an up and coming challenger going against the current king of the East. I still think Tenn. is a year maybe two away before they truly contend, but it's coming.
It'll be interesting again in the east with a strong Florida, Georgia and Tennessee.
Posted on 10/8/20 at 12:35 pm to Smokeyone
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Rushing D wouldn’t work as it’s sample size this year is small.
That’s why I included 2019 as well. That’s plenty of games to see a high quality front 7 led by our DL. A bad coach can’t pull that off. Hopefully they further prove you wrong this weekend.
Posted on 10/8/20 at 1:42 pm to Smokeyone
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take up space
A poorly developed and poorly coached player isn’t gonna be able to pull this off at a high level. Perhaps our guys are well developed and coached up? That’s what any reasonable football person who knows the game would conclude.
Posted on 10/8/20 at 1:54 pm to djsdawg
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A poorly developed and poorly coached player isn’t gonna be able to pull this off at a high level.
A dude in a decent strength and conditioning program can do it for a while. UGA covers for them by rotating them and keeping them fresh. They are not asked to play a complete game and have strength in numbers. They are not asked to do much as far as technical aspects. The occasional shift or stunt but usually it’s to eat space and free up LBs to make plays.
Posted on 10/8/20 at 2:13 pm to Smokeyone
You are essentially claiming that having depth is evidence they aren’t well coached and properly developed, right?
That idea of yours is way off. Completely illogical conclusion to reach.
You also ignore the fact that guys like ojulari and smith serve as edge rushers against the OL, much like a traditional 4/3 DE does.
That idea of yours is way off. Completely illogical conclusion to reach.
You also ignore the fact that guys like ojulari and smith serve as edge rushers against the OL, much like a traditional 4/3 DE does.
Posted on 10/8/20 at 2:21 pm to djsdawg
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You are essentially claiming that having depth is evidence they aren’t well coached and properly developed, right?
Not even close. They may be well coached and developed (UGAs Dline coach isn’t well known as a developer of talent) but individually it doesn’t matter. Individually against Tennessee’s 1s (original point of this) they are just not as good as Tennessee’s 1s. They are a no name group that overwhelmed teams by rotating fresh guys in. They don’t do anything special, we’re not individually graded out high enough to leave early, individually they are not difference makes. They are big dudes that eat space so playmakers can make plays.
Posted on 10/8/20 at 2:23 pm to Smokeyone
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They are not asked to do much as far as technical aspects
Wow
Have you even watched a UGA game this season?
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The occasional shift or stunt but usually it’s to eat space and free up LBs to make plays.
What do you know about DL technique?
Judging by your reply, I'm curious how you self evaluate yourself.
Posted on 10/8/20 at 2:24 pm to Smokeyone
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They are a no name group that overwhelmed teams by rotating fresh guys in. They don’t do anything special, we’re not individually graded out high enough to leave early, individually they are not difference makes. They are big dudes that eat space so playmakers can make plays.
Lol
Get back to me saturday evening
Posted on 10/8/20 at 2:42 pm to Smokeyone
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They may be well coached and developed
You are essentially agreeing with me on their coaching and development, right?
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They are a no name group
Our whole D is “no names” that are well coached and properly developed. They know their jobs and they do them well.
Depth is just an added element that in no way diminishes the coaching and development they receive.
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Individually against Tennessee’s 1s (original point of this) they are just not as good as Tennessee’s 1s.
Our top 6 DL vs your top 6 OL is this weekend. We will see who is better. Test is soon. The nfl will provide another comparison in a few years.
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we’re not individually graded out high enough to leave early,
“PFF lists Georgia's Malik Herring as SEC's top returning DL.”
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They are big dudes that eat space so playmakers can make plays.
Travon Walker makes plays like a game clinching sack vs auburn in 2019:
“Keep one thing in mind — the kid is 6-foot-5 and 290 pounds. He screams speed. Legitimate speed, and he showed it when Georgia pleaded for it.”
Devonte Wyatt was 2nd on our team with QB pressures in 2019, which was our best ever year at pressuring qbs:
“Keep in mind that Wyatt stands 6-foot-4 and weighed 280 pounds at the time. So he looked decidedly different than the other sprinters. But he always has been known for his extraordinary speed and quickness for his size, and he has a competitive spirit some have described as “otherworldly.”
“Strength shown: As overused as the term is, it applies here. Wyatt is a freak athlete. He has an explosive first step and the raw foot speed to chase plays down from behind.”
The point here remains as clear as it was earlier ITT :
you don’t know as much about our individual players as you claim to.
This post was edited on 10/8/20 at 2:43 pm
Posted on 10/8/20 at 6:18 pm to meansonny
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What do you know about DL technique?
Judging by your reply, I'm curious how you self evaluate yourself.
Good question
Posted on 10/8/20 at 6:57 pm to meansonny
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Judging by your reply, I'm curious how you self evaluate yourself.
How do I self evaluate? I’m 45, happily married and retired. Gout has me slow and arthritis has my stamina down. 205 pounds, 6’ and well past my prime. Both knees are gone but damn if it wasn’t fun back in my prime. I’m a great rifle shot and can run a shotgun still. Arthritis in the hands has limited my proficiency with handguns. The bowling game is shot (was a scratch bowler not long ago) and in my prime I was an Olympic class fencer.
Is that what you are looking for? I’m not gay but if you really want a dick pic I’ll send you a couple (no homo).
If you want an eval of Dline guys.
Ideally you want size and quick violence. The 3/4 is gear towards a NG requiring a double with you DE/DT that can move the LOS and plug gaps. And UGAs Dline has that. By rotating them you keep them fresh and able to wear out lesser teams. They are not going to make many tackles or directly pressure the QB often but they do occupy an Oline to allow LBs to make tackles and pressure a QB. Collectively UGA has an outstanding Dline. Individually they are ok and likely start at most programs but not difference makers.
Posted on 10/8/20 at 7:13 pm to Smokeyone
Seems like the nfl draft is the only thing that will convince you that you are wrong, and even then you would come up with an absurd attempt to spin it away.
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