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Posted on 10/6/14 at 9:48 pm to Whiznot
I wasn't speculating. I was flatly saying that since no conviction has been rendered, he should face no penalties. I know it has the potential to look very bad if they let him play and he's convicted, but why should school "justice" be any different than established criminal justice? Is an accusation all it takes to bring down a player? It's not just a guy missing a couple of games. Some people will always believe he did it, just because he was accused. Don't believe me? Ask Richard Jewell. He was exonerated beyond the shadow of a doubt and still, his life ended in a cloud of suspicion.
Again, I could recruit an army of prostitutes to make false allegations and LSU could win the sec. All I need is accusations, right? The mentality that suspends a player in this situation is the mainstream attitude that the man is likely guilty because he is a man and, probably more than that, the timid attitude by schools at all levels, who don't want to be sued for anything and have hair trigger attitudes as a result.
Again, I could recruit an army of prostitutes to make false allegations and LSU could win the sec. All I need is accusations, right? The mentality that suspends a player in this situation is the mainstream attitude that the man is likely guilty because he is a man and, probably more than that, the timid attitude by schools at all levels, who don't want to be sued for anything and have hair trigger attitudes as a result.
Posted on 10/6/14 at 10:32 pm to Prof
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The problem with those tweets is they make no sense. They allege/imply that she was planning this since orientation with the "he said/she said" comment and yet turn around and say that it was a spur of the moment thing - that she got mad when she found out they weren't exclusive. One doesn't plan this out from orientation AND months later get mad/jealous and on the spur of the moment run to police.
Agreed. It's like an 8 year old coming up with whatever lie it takes to get them out of trouble. Throw a bunch of options out there and maybe one will stick and fool you.
Posted on 10/6/14 at 10:37 pm to UL-SabanRival
Well, it's not just rape or sexual assault that gets players suspended until resolution of the case, so I don't know what "being a man" has to do with this.
If were accused of let's say, beating and kicking a marine, he would face the same thing.
And for the "Why would a star athlete rape someone, he can get all the tail he wants" crowd - please stop perpetuating that bullshite line of thinking. Rape is not about "getting tail" or busting a nut during sexual intercourse.
It's about busting a nut over having almost ultimate power over another human being. With the exception of taking another life, rape is the ultimate power move over another.
UF is handling this the right way, especially after the Winston/FSU debacle. That can't afford to play this kid if the accusation is true. It sucks for Harris, it sucks for UF fans, but it would be much worse for all involved if they continued to play him.
Erring on the side of caution is never a bad thing.
If were accused of let's say, beating and kicking a marine, he would face the same thing.
And for the "Why would a star athlete rape someone, he can get all the tail he wants" crowd - please stop perpetuating that bullshite line of thinking. Rape is not about "getting tail" or busting a nut during sexual intercourse.
It's about busting a nut over having almost ultimate power over another human being. With the exception of taking another life, rape is the ultimate power move over another.
UF is handling this the right way, especially after the Winston/FSU debacle. That can't afford to play this kid if the accusation is true. It sucks for Harris, it sucks for UF fans, but it would be much worse for all involved if they continued to play him.
Erring on the side of caution is never a bad thing.
Posted on 10/6/14 at 11:17 pm to Korin
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So guilty until proven innocent I guess.
Suspension from the team, from what I thought was posted he was not suspended from class.
Guilty is a verdict rendered after the case has gone to court. This appears to still be in fact gathering stage.
Posted on 10/6/14 at 11:37 pm to AUtigerNOLA
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So what will this mean?
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It means Driskel will look like a world beater against LSU
Posted on 10/6/14 at 11:42 pm to UL-SabanRival
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I wasn't speculating. I was flatly saying that since no conviction has been rendered, he should face no penalties. I know it has the potential to look very bad if they let him play and he's convicted, but why should school "justice" be any different than established criminal justice? Is an accusation all it takes to bring down a player? It's not just a guy missing a couple of games. Some people will always believe he did it, just because he was accused. Don't believe me? Ask Richard Jewell. He was exonerated beyond the shadow of a doubt and still, his life ended in a cloud of suspicion.
Again, I could recruit an army of prostitutes to make false allegations and LSU could win the sec. All I need is accusations, right? The mentality that suspends a player in this situation is the mainstream attitude that the man is likely guilty because he is a man and, probably more than that, the timid attitude by schools at all levels, who don't want to be sued for anything and have hair trigger attitudes as a result.
I agree in principle, but I also reserve judgment of the school because maybe they know enough to think this will turn out a certain way.
If not, everything you said comes into play. Dropping the gavel on someone accused. It really is a scary thing for young men because it's nearly impossible to exonerate yourself from stuff like this, so you always have to do your best to avoid these situations.
Posted on 10/7/14 at 6:13 am to CtotheVrzrbck
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You sure about that?
Gorgeous sounds gay for sure
But I don't think anyone that isn't a female family member would call his bearded tattoed specimen that. Posted on 10/7/14 at 6:55 am to austingator
The more and more I think about this Harris situation, it makes absolutely no sense.
Posted on 10/7/14 at 7:00 am to boXerrumble
Posted on 10/7/14 at 7:54 am to BamaChick
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Erring on the side of caution is never a bad thing.
Wow. That is genuinely frightening. Yes, we must always hysterically rush to action before facts are established. That "play it safe" attitude is what gets kids kicked out of school for making pop tart guns, and I don't want to live in a world that operates in this way. Comrade.
Yes, I understand the desire for caution, but consequences should be the result of guilt, not suspicion.
I'm also not a rape expert, so I don't know what people's motives are. Neither do you, regardless of how many talk shows you've watched.
Posted on 10/7/14 at 8:07 am to boXerrumble
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Gainesville police tell Action News it could take weeks before evidence tests come back
Well, now this is horseshite....
Posted on 10/7/14 at 8:15 am to the808bass
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Missing a couple of football games while an issue is investigated isn't the end of the world for an innocent person, as fricked up as it may be.
I don't disagree with you at all. I'm actually agreeing that Florida is right to suspend him.
Posted on 10/7/14 at 9:12 am to UL-SabanRival
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Yes, I understand the desire for caution, but consequences should be the result of guilt, not suspicion.
It's not just suspicion. The University knows enough to think their course of action is appropriate. And I would guess they know more about the situation than you or me.
Posted on 10/7/14 at 10:09 am to IT_Dawg
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Well, now this is horseshite....
well they have to gather info, go to lunch, gather info, smoke break, etc., etc.
Posted on 10/7/14 at 10:17 am to BamaChick
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Erring on the side of caution is never a bad thing.
Except in this case, the accused is being penalized as if he's guilty and forced to prove his innocence. This runs counter to the basic premise of our criminal justice system. If he is proven innocent in a few months and Florida says "whoops, sorry", I'm glad the university feels good about itself, but they just took a season away from that man.
And the FSU comparison, I'm not sure a woman sending a letter to Winston that says "pay me 7 million dollars or I'll tell the police you raped me" is a good parallel.
This post was edited on 10/7/14 at 10:18 am
Posted on 10/7/14 at 10:23 am to the808bass
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It's not just suspicion. The University knows enough to think their course of action is appropriate. And I would guess they know more about the situation than you or me.
Oh, okay. Let's throw him in jail then.
Posted on 10/7/14 at 10:32 am to wadewilson
Mr. Wilson,
There is no winning this fight for UF. We don't suspend him and he ends up being guilty then we get torched. We suspend him and he's innocent we get torched. Imagine the stupidity on this board if we didn't suspend him. The press would eat us alive too.
There is no winning this fight for UF. We don't suspend him and he ends up being guilty then we get torched. We suspend him and he's innocent we get torched. Imagine the stupidity on this board if we didn't suspend him. The press would eat us alive too.
Posted on 10/7/14 at 10:42 am to roadGator
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There is no winning this fight for UF. We don't suspend him and he ends up being guilty then we get torched. We suspend him and he's innocent we get torched. Imagine the stupidity on this board if we didn't suspend him. The press would eat us alive too.
Pretty much
Posted on 10/7/14 at 10:50 am to roadGator
Yeah, I agree with that.
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