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re: UF QB Treon Harris investigated for sexual assault, UF Statement in OP
Posted on 10/6/14 at 2:50 pm to YStar
Posted on 10/6/14 at 2:50 pm to YStar
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So anybody know any details? I've read some pages but haven't seen anything..
No one knows anything at this point. There are some interweb rumors that are likely BS at this point.
This post was edited on 10/6/14 at 2:52 pm
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Posted on 10/6/14 at 2:53 pm to YStar
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So anybody know any details? I've read some pages but haven't seen anything..
There aren't any and should be any while the investigation is going on.
Treon's lawyer said he didn't expect charges or an arrest. That's about all we have other than the investigation itself and Treon's suspension.
This post was edited on 10/6/14 at 2:55 pm
Posted on 10/6/14 at 3:01 pm to Loathor
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It's also for those times when it couldn't be proved that they didn't do it.
The burden of proof is on the prosecution. I don't want this to change.
quote:Your assumption that someone got off merely because of a technicality is just that an assumption. Another founding principle of our criminal justice system is that it's better for a thousand guilty men to go free than it is for one innocent person to be imprisoned. So, to answer your question, yes. I'd rather see guilty people go free than innocents convicted in a system that shifts the burden of proof to the accused.
You are really ok with a system that lets someone get away with a crime due to a technicality, or better legal maneuvering, and just letting them skate off into the sunset without any looking back (or forward...)?
Posted on 10/6/14 at 3:06 pm to UL-SabanRival
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Another founding principle of our criminal justice system is that it's better for a thousand guilty men to go free than it is for one innocent person to be imprisoned.
Kids these days don't understand this. Affirmative consent, yes means yes, support articles trot out the false rape percentage of 2-8%. They say, "Only 2-8% of rapes are false so it's not much of a consideration."
WHAT THE frick?
I'm pretty sure our soldiers haven't been dying for hundreds of years to protect THOSE rights. Pretty sure it was to protect a society like you described. Not one that treats men as collateral damage to the repair of damaged female psyches.
Posted on 10/6/14 at 3:09 pm to UL-SabanRival
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Your assumption that someone got off merely because of a technicality is just that an assumption. Another founding principle of our criminal justice system is that it's better for a thousand guilty men to go free than it is for one innocent person to be imprisoned. So, to answer your question, yes. I'd rather see guilty people go free than innocents convicted in a system that shifts the burden of proof to the accused.
OK... but the system we have now is letting a thousand guilty men go free and imprisoning innocent people as well. This is the perfect system that we are waiting to pass judgement before we form our own personal opinions?
Posted on 10/6/14 at 3:15 pm to Loathor
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OK... but the system we have now is letting a thousand guilty men go free and imprisoning innocent people as well. This is the perfect system that we are waiting to pass judgement before we form our own personal opinions?
No one ever said our system was perfect. It's just less and less perfect the more we erode due process.
But I'd rather let a criminal live free, living on borrowed time, than make one innocent man/woman spend unforeseen amounts of time in prison. I couldn't imagine one week in prison, much less years. And as a man, it's much, much worse. You're going to be sentenced to the highest sentence. Your wife/girlfriend/sister/friend commits the same crime? 1/5th of the sentence, on average (if memory serves).
Posted on 10/6/14 at 3:24 pm to ocelot4ark
Is the rumor that the female victim is on the women's basketball team?
Posted on 10/6/14 at 3:26 pm to Loathor
There is no such thing as a perfect system, but your idea of shifting the burden of proof to the accused would land a LOT more innocents in jail.
Again, letting this kid play until the issue is sorted out is right in line with our justice philosophy. It may look bad or leave a bad taste in your mouth, but it's better than the de facto assumption of guilt we are seeing right now.
Again, letting this kid play until the issue is sorted out is right in line with our justice philosophy. It may look bad or leave a bad taste in your mouth, but it's better than the de facto assumption of guilt we are seeing right now.
Posted on 10/6/14 at 3:31 pm to UL-SabanRival
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There is no such thing as a perfect system, but your idea of shifting the burden of proof to the accused would land a LOT more innocents in jail.
Again, letting this kid play until the issue is sorted out is right in line with our justice philosophy. It may look bad or leave a bad taste in your mouth, but it's better than the de facto assumption of guilt we are seeing right now.
It may be inline with our justice philosophy, but that doesn't have anything to do with how the school treats the situation. It's also not how it would be treated in a work environment. If you are accused of rape by a coworker do you honestly think your boss would continue to let you come into work until it was settled legally? How is this any different?
It may just be a PR move, but it's the right PR move.
This post was edited on 10/6/14 at 3:32 pm
Posted on 10/6/14 at 3:34 pm to Loathor
Well shite, let me grab my keys and go off accusing players from opposing teams left and right. Instant championship.
Posted on 10/6/14 at 3:42 pm to UL-SabanRival
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Well shite, let me grab my keys and go off accusing players from opposing teams left and right. Instant championship.
Maybe if you wouldn't dress like a slut...
Posted on 10/6/14 at 3:52 pm to Loathor
I heard from a dependable source that he sexually assaulted a laptop with a crab leg....
Posted on 10/6/14 at 3:53 pm to joshnorris14
This is solely because of the backlash that FSU unfairly received when Winston was accused. Doesn't warrant a suspension.
This post was edited on 10/6/14 at 3:53 pm
Posted on 10/6/14 at 4:10 pm to Korin
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This is solely because of the backlash that FSU unfairly received when Winston was accused.
No
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Doesn't warrant a suspension.
No
Right or wrong, this is the right precaution at this point until more discovery gives a clearer picture to law enforcement, then we will know. Let the cops do their jobs first.
Posted on 10/6/14 at 4:18 pm to joshnorris14
At least UF is taking action...unlike other schools in the great state of Florida, so 
Posted on 10/6/14 at 4:30 pm to dmndrs
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It's not about the sex for rapists, it's about control. Consensual sex doesn't offer them the same thrill.
Thank you. Rape is about CONTROL. Most who rape don't have to rape to get sex.
Posted on 10/6/14 at 4:43 pm to Cheese Grits
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No
Yes.
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No
Right or wrong, this is the right precaution at this point until more discovery gives a clearer picture to law enforcement, then we will know. Let the cops do their jobs first.
So guilty until proven innocent I guess.
Posted on 10/6/14 at 4:53 pm to Bama54
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Thank you. Rape is about CONTROL. Most who rape don't have to rape to get sex.
This isn't a rape case.
Posted on 10/6/14 at 4:57 pm to UL-SabanRival
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There is no such thing as a perfect system, but your idea of shifting the burden of proof to the accused would land a LOT more innocents in jail.
Not playing football < > going to jail
Posted on 10/6/14 at 4:58 pm to joshnorris14
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This isn't a rape case.
It is sexual battery which in Florida is analogous to rape.
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