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Posted on 11/14/17 at 6:53 pm to Tuscaloosa
Posted on 11/14/17 at 6:53 pm to Tuscaloosa
Nice job tool. You ability to deflect is inpressive. For the second straight post you ignored the fact that Guice is the focus of every defense he faces and Harris is at best the third focus for teams that play Bama. But if you can't argue it, I don't blame you for not trying.
And as far as reading comprehension, you seem pretty poor in that area. I did say I'm not sure Guice should be the other first team RB. That's because unlike you I can objectively look at performance and stats and be honest about it. Just because someone wears an LSU uniform does't mean I think he is all-world (which was the point of the Key discussion) and better than every other team's player. But (and see if you can comprehend this), at no point will LSU play a game this year and Derrius Guice not be the primary weapon in LSU's offense. That has never been the case with Harris and Alabama. That can't be argued. So of course, you'll just ignore it. That's what homer trolls do.
And as far as reading comprehension, you seem pretty poor in that area. I did say I'm not sure Guice should be the other first team RB. That's because unlike you I can objectively look at performance and stats and be honest about it. Just because someone wears an LSU uniform does't mean I think he is all-world (which was the point of the Key discussion) and better than every other team's player. But (and see if you can comprehend this), at no point will LSU play a game this year and Derrius Guice not be the primary weapon in LSU's offense. That has never been the case with Harris and Alabama. That can't be argued. So of course, you'll just ignore it. That's what homer trolls do.
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Posted on 11/14/17 at 6:58 pm to TigerProwl24
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Arden Key will not be ALL SEC.. There is no denying he is ALL SEC talent but he hasn't had the season others have had.
I'm not sure if Arden Key will be All-SEC or not, because reputation has a lot to do with this. But his production this year absolutely does not merit it. He's had three good games. There are numerous players who deserve it more.
Posted on 11/14/17 at 7:01 pm to LSUgrad88
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For the second straight post you ignored the fact that Guice is the focus of every defense he faces and Harris is at best the third focus for teams that play Bama. But if you can't argue it, I don't blame you for not trying.
There’s no purpose in arguing that because it’s a moot point. Harris is averaging about the same YPC after contact that Guice is averaging period. That kinda blows your “he’s the focus” and “Muh O-Line!!” theories out of the water. Harris simply breaks more tackles and requires more effort to be brought down, in addition to his vastly superior YPC.
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at no point will LSU play a game this year and Derrius Guice not be the primary weapon in LSU's offense. That has never been the case with Harris and Alabama. That can't be argued. So of course, you'll just ignore it. That's what homer trolls do.
That’s because Bama is stacked, and LSU’s Recruiting coordinator under Les Miles did a poor job. But if you want to use the whole “BUH HE’S THA FOCUS!!1!” argument, Kentucky’s RB Benny Snell should be an All-American.
This post was edited on 11/14/17 at 7:02 pm
Posted on 11/14/17 at 7:02 pm to LSUgrad88
Marq Haynes and Charles Wright both, have had better seasons and get consideration before Key will. Josh Allen has to be on the list as well.
This post was edited on 11/14/17 at 7:03 pm
Posted on 11/14/17 at 7:07 pm to LSUgrad88
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So of course, you'll just ignore it. That's what homer trolls do.
You’re the one ignoring the stats and being a homer. Once again, take away Guice’s numbers against Ole Miss and his numbers are nothing special.
Posted on 11/14/17 at 7:21 pm to Tuscaloosa
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That kinda blows your “he’s the focus” and “Muh O-Line!!” theories out of the water. Harris simply breaks more tackles and requires more effort to be brought down, in addition to his vastly superior YPC.
This might be as stupid an argument as you've made (and that is saying something). When you have to break the tackle of one defensive back because the focus of the defense is on stopping Hurts, I'm not sure how much credit you should get for that. When you're surrounded by an entire defense, its a little harder to accumulate YAC. That's the end result of being the focus of a defense. Its because the whole or vast majority of the defense is focused on you. If you were honest you would admit that. But you won't.
This isn't really very complicated. You don't get to be an all-conference back when you only get 8 carries a game. Its really that simple. You're just not important enough. All the Alabama entitlement in the world doesn't change that. But let the Gump fan base give him all-conference (and hell maybe the media will too). I mean your fan base gives itself made up national championships, so why not that.
Posted on 11/14/17 at 7:36 pm to LSUgrad88
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You don't get to be an all-conference back when you only get 8 carries a game.
Guice shouldn’t be an all-conference for doing nothing outside of two games.
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When you have to break the tackle of one defensive back because the focus of the defense is on stopping Hurts,
You think all the tackles he’s breaking are just DBs? If you actually watch him play you’ll see that’s not the case.
Since the stats far support Harris, you’re using your biased “eye test” in an attempt to say Guice “far better”.
Posted on 11/14/17 at 7:55 pm to 1BamaRTR
If you read my posts, I haven't said at any point that Guice should necessarily be all-conference or that Guice is "far better." Tuscaloosa has been the one saying Harris is far better nd Harris should absolutely be all-conference. Matter of fact I don't think Guice has had an all-conference year. But its been such a down year at RB, that only K. Johnson has really had an all-conference year. So I don't know, Guice, Snell, Chubb, who? If Harris had been given more carries, he probably would be the choice. But 8 carries a game doesn't do it. Its really that simple. Just like three good games from Key doesn't do it, even though he may be the most talented defensive player in the conference. And try to be honest (which I now comes hard for most "fans") and acknowledge that its much more difficult to carry the ball successfully when you are the constant focus of every defense you play, and you don't have one of the best running QB's in the country drawing away attention. And its also more difficult to keep up a high average when you're getting 20+ a game and not just 8. Why is it so hard for you guys to be fair and impartial? I really don't get it.
This post was edited on 11/14/17 at 7:58 pm
Posted on 11/15/17 at 6:54 am to SummerOfGeorge
Lock has 17 TDs in conference play which leads the SEC and is 5 more than Stidham. Drops are killing his completion %.
Posted on 11/15/17 at 7:39 am to thirdlawson
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thirdlawson
Pretty good final list there
Posted on 11/15/17 at 8:02 am to thirdlawson
QB- Lock
RB-Chubb
RB-Chubb
Posted on 11/15/17 at 8:43 am to thirdlawson
Man you have 2 CB on there nowhere near as good as Levi Wallace.
To put into perspective in coverage he's allowing half as many receptions against him as any other DB on the team, including Minkah.
He's got a good shot at making All-American
To put into perspective in coverage he's allowing half as many receptions against him as any other DB on the team, including Minkah.
He's got a good shot at making All-American
Posted on 11/15/17 at 8:53 am to TigerProwl24
Greedy should be on the list. Tied for lead in picks with 4, and 2 passes defended from SEC lead with 9.
Posted on 11/15/17 at 8:57 am to thirdlawson
Maybe Skai Moore at LB? He is a heckuva player. He has 15 career interceptions. Unheard of for a LB.
Posted on 11/15/17 at 9:34 am to LSUgrad88
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And try to be honest (which I now comes hard for most "fans") and acknowledge that its much more difficult to carry the ball successfully when you are the constant focus of every defense you play, and you don't have one of the best running QB's in the country drawing away attention. And its also more difficult to keep up a high average when you're getting 20+ a game and not just 8. Why is it so hard for you guys to be fair and impartial? I really don't get it.
By your logic, even if Guice plays bad it’s not his fault at all. All I see are a bunch of excuses. You’re acting like LSU’s OL is absolute garbage which they’re not and LSU has zero passing game compared to Bama which is also not true.
Btw he did have an 8 carry game against Syracuse and got 14 yards.
You’re the one that’s not being impartial. Right off the bat you dissmissed Harris. Your very first post said that you know that Guice definitely deserves it more than Harris which is BS.
You’re saying Harris shouldn’t get consideration no matter how well he plays because he has a better situation than Guice.
This post was edited on 11/15/17 at 9:45 am
Posted on 11/15/17 at 9:48 am to 1BamaRTR
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Btw he did have an 8 carry game against Syracuse and got 14 yards.
Guice had a knee injury in the Miss St game. After that he played but was clearly not himself the next 3 games or so.
Posted on 11/15/17 at 9:58 am to Tuscaloosa
Jesus Christo!! You’re a fricking idiot
Posted on 11/15/17 at 10:04 am to thirdlawson
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KR - Christian Kirk, JR Texas A&M
PR - DJ Chark, SR LSU
I would put Kirk at PR and De’Vion Warren at KR.
Kirk only has 7 PR all year because everyone knows to avoid him like the plague. He's averaging 24.7 yards per return. Even though Kirk has 6 fewer returns he only trails DJ by a handful of yards.
Posted on 11/15/17 at 10:06 am to Tuscaloosa
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Kentucky’s RB Benny Snell should be an All-American.
Truth.
Posted on 11/15/17 at 10:07 am to Jenar Boy
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Jesus Christo!! You’re a fricking idiot
What does that have to do with Harris being way better than Guice at pretty much everything?
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