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re: To put an end to the Chavis debate
Posted on 7/20/15 at 4:11 pm to The_SwAUggford
Posted on 7/20/15 at 4:11 pm to The_SwAUggford
quote:Yeh Pelini's defense has been lights out at Nebraska
Pelini are elite defensive coordinators though
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Posted on 7/20/15 at 4:13 pm to cardboardboxer
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No offense, but how do you know how versatile our 2015 offense will be? We really are changing a lot of it, and this is the kind of thing that CAN change from year to year. I mean we do have some RB talent, we just wasted it in committee last year. This year we have a clear best RB, and that might change how we operate.
The lasting image in my head is Christine Michael. I followed him in recruiting and was disappointed when he flipped to y'all because I thought he would be a good one, better than Michael Ford and Spencer Ware... and he never really did anything during Manziel Hour.
ETA: Moreso that he was never put in a position to be the back that I envisioned... I understand recruiting busts are part of the game.
This post was edited on 7/20/15 at 4:15 pm
Posted on 7/20/15 at 4:14 pm to Cooter Davenport
quote:Or the guy who got 70 hung on him at his last stop and got fired by Nebraska last year.
Chavis, Bo Pelini, Muschamp, Steele. Which of these things is not like the others?
Hint: The guy who got 70 hung on him at his last DC stop and got fired by Clemson two years ago.
Posted on 7/20/15 at 4:23 pm to cardboardboxer
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So here is my promise- every fricking time I get a response about how we are a bunch of pussies and we don't have talent I am going to RUN to "Lousiana is poor, and that is the reason for ____" even if ____ is me giving LSU credit for something (like in this thread).
The end to the Chavis debate will happen Thanksgiving weekend. Any thread between now and there is literally a waste of ones and zeros. I don't always flush when I used a really dirty public toilet, and I refuse to take the high road when faced with the Rant's equivalent thread.
If my canned response upsets you then you are more than welcome to join me on the frontline of what my primary position is, which is it reasonably could have been a good thing for both programs maybe. Or continue to call me out while LSU fans are saying even more ridiculous shite than I can muster all around me. This is all for entertainment, you do whatever entertains you Wade.
No need to get testy. I think Chavis is an upgrade, I just question if he's really a 2 million dollar upgrade.
What I do challenge wholeheartedly is the false narrative that Chavis is the only reason LSU won any games since Les Miles took over.
Posted on 7/20/15 at 4:23 pm to chilge1
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ETA: Moreso that he was never put in a position to be the back that I envisioned... I understand recruiting busts are part of the game.
He was his own worst enemy.
Posted on 7/20/15 at 4:24 pm to chilge1
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though I'd love to hear them explain why we Orgeron is now making Haley's salary.
Key point here, they don't beat their chest that they stole him from YALL. They say that they stole him from US.
In their reasoning, Brick was the real genius behind Chavis. Brick expected to follow Chavis to A&M but WE couldn't afford Brick.
During all that, LSU made decisions that gave away Brick's job. So when WE couldn't afford him, LSU HAD TO demote him because yall couldn't afford to pay him enough to mend the fences (or handle the buyout of the other guy, that is kinda vague). LSU hoped he would stick around even after this demotion, because NO ONE could pay what we couldn't afford to pay. That is until big bad Texas came along.
They don't care about being better than LSU. I mean maybe, but it is not a real concern. They are concerned with ANYTHING that looks like it might be second rate compared to what we have, or more accurately viewing things from a perspective where we have any actual value as a program.
Hope that cleared things up.
Posted on 7/20/15 at 4:26 pm to chilge1
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Moreso that he was never put in a position to be the back that I envisioned..
I agree with that. In downs when we had to run the ball under Sumlin's time we couldn't. That has to be fixed.
Posted on 7/20/15 at 4:28 pm to SwampyLSU
They both suck. Not sure why y'all are debating who sucks less.
Posted on 7/20/15 at 4:29 pm to cardboardboxer
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During all that, LSU made decisions that gave away Brick's job. So when WE couldn't afford him, LSU HAD TO demote him because yall couldn't afford to pay him enough to mend the fences (or handle the buyout of the other guy, that is kinda vague). LSU hoped he would stick around even after this demotion, because NO ONE could pay what we couldn't afford to pay. That is until big bad Texas came along.
Actually, LSU was paying him $450k to be an administrative assistant and neither side wanted to fork over the buyout. He got a new job, LSU waived the buyout, and he moved on.
I hope he does well. A week before Chavis left, he told Brick to sign his extension, because Chavis was going to sign his.
Posted on 7/20/15 at 4:30 pm to SwampyLSU
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SwampyLSU
You knew this wouldn't put an end to any debate, didn't you?
Posted on 7/20/15 at 4:32 pm to SwampyLSU
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I thought I'd turn a post I recently made into a topic to put an end to the discussion.
I cant wait til the season starts.
Posted on 7/20/15 at 4:32 pm to wadewilson
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No need to get testy
Sorry, I just hate double standards unless they benefit me ;)
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I think Chavis is an upgrade, I just question if he's really a 2 million dollar upgrade.
You know we are only paying him about $200k more this year than LSU paid him last year right?
The honest truth for us is option B was SO much less of a splash than Chavis that Sumlin would have been toast maybe. Chavis is Sumlin's chance.
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What I do challenge wholeheartedly is the false narrative that Chavis is the only reason LSU won any games since Les Miles took over.
That is obviously ridiculous, Chavis wasn't around before Les. Nick Saban was the reason Les won that national title, Chavis had NOTHING to do with it!
I think the only reason you see that argument is because it is our backlash to what we have seen: the argument that "Chavis is the only reason LSU lost any games the last few years."
We see LSU fans hang losses on a coordinator that had the best defense in the SEC by the numbers, while yalls offense a few of the last couple of years has pretty much been a bag of flaming dogshit outside of RB play.
The truth lies somewhere in the middle, in a land of no hyperbole that we can't visit as long as we stay on Rant Highway. But I get your point, it gets annoying.
Sorry for being such a bitch about it.
Posted on 7/20/15 at 4:33 pm to SwampyLSU
So OP, to put an end to the Chavis debate you make yet another Chavis thread that goes 10 pages so far?
Solid work.
Solid work.
This post was edited on 7/20/15 at 4:34 pm
Posted on 7/20/15 at 4:36 pm to wadewilson
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Actually, LSU was paying him $450k to be an administrative assistant and neither side wanted to fork over the buyout. He got a new job, LSU waived the buyout, and he moved on.
This is good info. Any information yall want to give me of what ACTUALLY happened will be used I promise.
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I hope he does well.
You don't mind if I don't agree on that right?
Actually frick it, he is Texas's DLine coach and they have recruiting so poorly at that position he is toast no matter what. I hope he gets a lot of Texas money between now and when that particular piece of shite hits the fan. The last of Brown's DL recruits leave after this season and I expect it to get ROUGH for them.
Yall say we recruiting poorly, but we kept a lot of talent off their doorstep the last couple of years. Hell we still do, look where they are ranked right now.
Posted on 7/20/15 at 4:47 pm to cardboardboxer
From what I've gathered Brick was a major hangup in Chavis negotiations. LSU wanted Orgeron, but Chavis wanted Brick.
D-line play was seen as a major point of weakness over the past few seasons, and Les wanted to get Ogre on staff while he was available.
One of the reasons Steele was hired is that he would allow Orgeron to join his staff and Raymond to remain as DB coach.
I don't know that LSU wouldn't have still parted ways with Chavis had he made that concession, but his refusing to so so made the decision to let him leave a lot easier.
At least, that's what I've picked up on the whole Brick situation along the way.
D-line play was seen as a major point of weakness over the past few seasons, and Les wanted to get Ogre on staff while he was available.
One of the reasons Steele was hired is that he would allow Orgeron to join his staff and Raymond to remain as DB coach.
I don't know that LSU wouldn't have still parted ways with Chavis had he made that concession, but his refusing to so so made the decision to let him leave a lot easier.
At least, that's what I've picked up on the whole Brick situation along the way.
Posted on 7/20/15 at 4:47 pm to cardboardboxer
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Sorry for being such a bitch about it.
No need to apologize, I've been plenty pissy and borderline psychotic myself.
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I think the only reason you see that argument is because it is our backlash to what we have seen: the argument that "Chavis is the only reason LSU lost any games the last few years."
There are multiple reasons why games are lost, but one consistent is that Chavis has been prone to collapses and failures late in the game.
Equally disturbing is that under Studrawa's reign, LSU never even ran a 2 minute offense, so that only compounded the problem. I don't know if Cameron did in 2013 and I'd rather just forget the offense from last year.
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You know we are only paying him about $200k more this year than LSU paid him last year right?
What's his buyout, and increase per year?
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This is good info. Any information yall want to give me of what ACTUALLY happened will be used I promise.
That's about as simple as it gets. I think Haley wanted to stay here, and I think he thought he had a shot at the DC position, but by the time he got the offer it was mutual separation. I'd be surprised if Miles didn't recommend him personally.
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You don't mind if I don't agree on that right?
Actually frick it, he is Texas's DLine coach and they have recruiting so poorly at that position he is toast no matter what. I hope he gets a lot of Texas money between now and when that particular piece of shite hits the fan. The last of Brown's DL recruits leave after this season and I expect it to get ROUGH for them.
Haley showed a lot of promise when he came on board, but he needs a fire under his arse in a bad way.
Posted on 7/20/15 at 4:49 pm to GeauxToBed
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From what I've gathered Brick was a major hangup in Chavis negotiations. LSU wanted Orgeron, but Chavis wanted Brick.
D-line play was seen as a major point of weakness over the past few seasons, and Les wanted to get Ogre on staff while he was available.
Les would have been crucified if Ogre had slipped away to coach another team.
Posted on 7/20/15 at 4:52 pm to SwampyLSU
Swampy you make too much sense for the inbred aggies to understand.
Posted on 7/20/15 at 4:56 pm to wadewilson
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A thing isn't automatically poor just because it's in Louisiana.
Next you're gonna try and convince us that LSU degrees are worth something right?
Posted on 7/20/15 at 4:57 pm to WhiskerBiscuitSlayer
RAd!
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