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re: The slowdown rule does NOT affect only a couple of plays per game
Posted on 2/26/14 at 7:29 pm to NYCAuburn
Posted on 2/26/14 at 7:29 pm to NYCAuburn
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It's okay to admit you don't have a clue. Again offense has far more rules pre snap then the defense, yet you want another rule, because you can't accomplish what other teams can do without any issues. Maybe we should rotate who wins each year as well, that balances everything.
so in other words you have no reply. offenses are not more restricted presnap regarding substitutions, the reverse is true. and it is true that most of the rules restricting offensive motion were put in place because of abuse of the current rules presnap to get extra penalties called on the defense. the offense is more restricted in where people line up on the field, ie so many on the los and in the backfield, everything else you said is crap.
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Posted on 2/26/14 at 7:34 pm to narddogg81
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offenses are not more restricted presnap regarding substitutions
They aren't? Let me ask you this, are there any rules for substitution for the offense? For the defense? If so, what are they?
Your answer will tell me if you know anything.
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it is true that most of the rules restricting offensive motion were put in place because of abuse of the current rules presnap to get extra penalties called on the defense
Hmmm, is that kind of like when teams would motion and try to get the d to jump offsides and stuff?
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the offense is more restricted in where people line up on the field, ie so many on the los and in the backfield,
So you admit one? What about now?
Tell me basically what rules must the d adhere to pre snap and what must the o? Count them up and get back to me.
This post was edited on 2/26/14 at 7:44 pm
Posted on 2/26/14 at 7:37 pm to Crimson Legend
Shut the frick up.
Posted on 2/26/14 at 7:53 pm to DCRebel
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Shut the frick up
After a quick post search, I learned that you are from Mississippi yet don't like Republicans. Also, you are sort of an a-hole.
I like you.
Posted on 2/26/14 at 7:59 pm to NYCAuburn
quote:the only thing i can think of is that the defense can briefly have more than 11 field to anticipate offensive formations, whereas the offense cant break huddle with more than 11 or have more than 11 in the huddle for more than 3 seconds, or possibly you are referring to this excerpt about timing once the o has substituted, providing time for the d to substitute as well
They aren't? Let me ask you this, are there any rules for substitution for the offense? For the defense? If so, what are they?
Your answer will tell me if you know anything.
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'While in the process of substitution or simulated substitution, Team A is prohibited from rushing quickly to the line of scrimmage with the obvious attempt of creating a defensive disadvantage. If the ball is ready for play, the game officials will not permit the ball to be snapped until Team B has placed substitutes in position and replaced players have left the field of play. Team B must react promptly with its substitutes'
quote:who ever said the d had to adhere to more rules presnap than the o? the reason there are so many presnap rules on the o is because they have the ball, they know the play, they know the snap count. the defense has to be able to be free to react. its always been that way, or at least under modern rules. the defense is reactive, so the rules are on the offense becasue they are the ones with control over that stuff. everybody flipped their shite when someone suggests an additional tiny presnap rule adjustment, which would be only one of many, and in response propose rules that would completely change the way defenses work and have worked for over 50 years and try to equate them. getting rid of the meerkat oline is not equivalent to eliminating blitzing or making defenses adhere to motion rules. one is a tiny adjustment to existing rules, one is a complete change of how defense has worked.
Tell me basically what rules must the d adhere to pre snap and what must the o? Count them up and get back to me.
Posted on 2/26/14 at 8:06 pm to narddogg81
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who ever said the d had to adhere to more rules presnap than the o?
That's the basic principle behind y'all's bitching, the advantage pre snap and equality.
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the reason there are so many presnap rules on the o is because they have the ball, they know the play, they know the snap count
So there is less equality because of the fundamental aspects of the sport? Good lord that's some pussy arse football. Maybe we can all get ribbons next year
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change the way defenses work and have worked for over 50 years and try to equate them
Like penalizing a team for playing football?
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getting rid of the meerkat oline is not equivalent to eliminating blitzing or making defenses adhere to motion rule
Of course not
Posted on 2/26/14 at 8:29 pm to NYCAuburn
I find when reading the post to threads, if you just skip the aubie's post you will see a very comprehensive and intelligent view of that thread. Try it, it works.
Posted on 2/26/14 at 8:43 pm to NYCAuburn
quote:do you really, actually think these are equivalent?
quote: getting rid of the meerkat oline is not equivalent to eliminating blitzing or making defenses adhere to motion rule Of course not
Posted on 2/26/14 at 9:06 pm to NYCAuburn
Hey NYC, what do you think about my idea of expanding the players area on the sideline to go goal line to goal line? That would shorten the distanced needed for the players to run on and off the field and could guarantee that the d would not get called for offsides on a substitution situation. Also, I think the offense should have to check in with the ref when they sub, that way they will always know and can make sure the d has the same opportunity to sub. Make it a penalty if the O trys to sneak a player sub . And they could on first downs allow for the 10sec rule to apply allowing a guarantee to sub, give the refs time to move chains and get set up for the next plays.
Mostly I think the player area needs to be expanded/addressed and have the O check in when they sub.
Mostly I think the player area needs to be expanded/addressed and have the O check in when they sub.
Posted on 2/26/14 at 9:32 pm to bamamonty
quote:Thats the problem with most Bama fans now. They ignore the people they should be listening too.
I find when reading the post to threads, if you just skip the aubie's post you will see a very comprehensive and intelligent view of that thread. Try it, it works.
So we get these posters that pop up claiming the rules are unfair to the defense unless the Offense stands there for 25 seconds so the defense can get a good read and then let the offense snap it when the defense says its okay. Also claiming that its unfair to have rules where the defense can't move either even though they want everything "fair".
This post was edited on 2/26/14 at 9:47 pm
Posted on 2/26/14 at 10:13 pm to pvilleguru
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You blame that on the coach. From the time the play is blown dead, there's plenty of time to sub.
I not so sure. I would guess that a hurry up offense like Auburn's that runs a lot of rushing downs with just a few quick passes mixed in could get back to the LOS in less than 10 secs. Think 2 minute drill the entire game.
Let me put it this way. I can easily see the potential for hurry up offenses to become so dominant that literally every team will have to implement a similar system to avoid a competitive disadvantage. And if a 10 second rule is not put in place and the HUNHO's keep rolling, it's definitely going to force teams like Alabama and Georgia running pro-set offenses to re-evaluate their offenses.
Posted on 2/26/14 at 10:32 pm to pvilleguru
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Damn, you're getting pretty defensive. I've never looked at a football rule book and never care to. I'm just going by what I've seen.
Who's defensive? I'm just calling out an ignorant fricktard who's making BS claims. BTW, based on your posts, it's OBVIOUS you don't know the rules.
Posted on 2/26/14 at 10:51 pm to arrakis
This is all very simple. If the O is in HUNH they aren't subbing either, the D needs to pull their panties up and play ball.
Posted on 2/26/14 at 10:53 pm to Dlab2013
It's pretty damn funny to see Arki and Bama fans try to rationalize this pussification of the game based on their coaches 
Posted on 2/26/14 at 11:00 pm to Dlab2013
Intelligent football fans vs mouth breathers
Posted on 2/26/14 at 11:04 pm to Crimson Legend
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But the offense controls WHEN the ball is snapped. The fact that they are lined up and in control of the snap means the defense cannot substitute.
It's called "offense" for a reason
Posted on 2/27/14 at 12:36 am to pvilleguru
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Or your coaches can just think ahead. Have a guy ready to come on the field as soon as the play ends. It will take at least a few seconds for the refs to spot the ball. You can easily have a guy run on and off the field.
Posted on 2/27/14 at 2:50 am to Crimson Legend
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Why is this point getting past so many people?
becuase only a few coaches are bitching about it. what's next, the qb can no longer scramble past the LOS, because if he does, he might get hurt.....
Posted on 2/27/14 at 2:52 am to Crimson Legend
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Why is this point getting past so many people? It's obvious.
Why is it getting past gumps that Saban is a whiny bitch?
Posted on 2/27/14 at 3:26 am to TeLeFaWx
If it's a personnel issue or if they are tired, just get an encroachment penalty. 5 yards and subbing out your players is better than another 10 or 15 yard play all the way down the field
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