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re: "The SEC is so much harder than the Big 12"
Posted on 1/10/24 at 9:21 am to BigBro
Posted on 1/10/24 at 9:21 am to BigBro
I think you're out of your mind if you think Colorado was one of the two top teams in the Big XII North from 2000 - 2011. Colorado had a losing record in seven of those eleven seasons.
I think we ought to point out A&M has a 23-2 record, combined, against Arkansas, South Carolina, and Vanderbilt. From 2012 - 2023, those teams went a combined 194-240 (44.7% winning percentage). 44% of A&M's SEC wins come against these three teams alone. It's similar to OU and Tennessee where about 25% of their all-time wins come against programs with losing records all-time (Iowa State and Kansas State for OU and UK and Vandy for Tennessee).
Similarly, I think you're glossing over A&M's record versus good SEC teams. They're 7-30 against SEC teams with 9+ wins since joining the conference.
In conclusion, just because A&M has beaten up on a bunch of shitty SEC teams doesn't mean our conference is weaker.
I think we ought to point out A&M has a 23-2 record, combined, against Arkansas, South Carolina, and Vanderbilt. From 2012 - 2023, those teams went a combined 194-240 (44.7% winning percentage). 44% of A&M's SEC wins come against these three teams alone. It's similar to OU and Tennessee where about 25% of their all-time wins come against programs with losing records all-time (Iowa State and Kansas State for OU and UK and Vandy for Tennessee).
Similarly, I think you're glossing over A&M's record versus good SEC teams. They're 7-30 against SEC teams with 9+ wins since joining the conference.
In conclusion, just because A&M has beaten up on a bunch of shitty SEC teams doesn't mean our conference is weaker.
This post was edited on 1/10/24 at 9:24 am
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Posted on 1/10/24 at 9:25 am to Dawg4Life47
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How many nattys have come out of the big12 this century?
I am not arguing which league is better. The SEC is the premier football conference.
I'm asking why everyone says the SEC schedule is so much harder than the Big 12 Schedule.
You can only have 1 National Champion per year, so at max that would be 2 games vs them if you rematched in the SEC Championship or playoffs. A&M has no rematches.
So in theory, A&M (if they played the NC that year) could win the rest of their games and go 7-1 in conference every single year.
The schedule matters. As an example, A&M has played Georgia 1 time in the last 12 years.
Posted on 1/10/24 at 9:26 am to BigBro
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Posted on 1/10/24 at 9:28 am to BigBro
quote:Correct. The difference is you're not going to play against TCU or Baylor or Kansas or West Virgina, you're going to play against Ole Miss and Texas A&M and Florida and Missouri. Notice I didn't say any of the top 3 teams in our conference but rattled off teams that are either top ten teams or recruit at an insanely high level every year. That's the difference between the SEC and the Big 12 and has been the difference for a long time, well past the last 10 years - every team you play in this conference is a good team with good players. Can't say the same for the nine-game Big 12 slate.
The schedule makes a big difference.
This post was edited on 1/10/24 at 9:34 am
Posted on 1/10/24 at 9:30 am to BigBro
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I'm comparing the SEC the last 12 years vs the Big 12 before A&M, Nebraska, Missouri & Colorado left.
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I am not arguing which league is better. The SEC is the premier football conference.
That’s exactly what you are doing.
Posted on 1/10/24 at 9:35 am to Tornado Alley
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Similarly, I think you're glossing over A&M's record versus good SEC teams. They're 7-30 against SEC teams with 9+ wins since joining the conference.
In conclusion, just because A&M has beaten up on a bunch of shitty SEC teams doesn't mean our conference is weaker.
A&M loses to the good teams.
A&M beats the bad teams.
I am not glossing that over at all. That is 100% the point that I am trying to make.
The schedule matters.
Yes, the SEC is the best football league.
No one would argue otherwise.
Yes, the most NC have come from the SEC.
No one would argue otherwise.
I'm asking a simple question. Why is the SEC schedule so much harder than the Big 12 schedule?
How is playing Ole Miss or Mississippi State different than playing Oklahoma State or Texas Tech? They played about .500 against all of these teams.
How is playing Arkansas from 2012-2023 different than playing Baylor from 2000-2011? They went 11-1 vs Arkansas and 10-2 vs Baylor.
They beat the bad teams consistently.
They lose to the good teams consistently.
How is that any different than its always been?
Posted on 1/10/24 at 9:36 am to BigBro
And yet here you are....
Posted on 1/10/24 at 9:38 am to BigBro
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I am not arguing which league is better. The SEC is the premier football conference. I'm asking why everyone says the SEC schedule is so much harder than the Big 12 Schedule.
You need help. You can’t understand it, but you’re saying why it is your own self.
If you think the SEC is the premier conference….you must think that’s because the football teams in the conference are better than those in the Big 12. Right?
So …. If you play in the SEC, you’ll play more good teams. That’ll be a harder schedule. Where are you lost?
frickin Texans, man. Whole damn state is just weird.
Posted on 1/10/24 at 9:39 am to BigBro
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Serious question. How do these results imply that the SEC is so much harder than the Big 12?
In the scientific community we call these type of flawed studies “false equivalency variables”
Posted on 1/10/24 at 9:43 am to Dawgfanman
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That’s exactly what you are doing.
Actually it isn't at all.
A&M Schedule
Alabama (Oklahoma)
LSU (Texas)
Ole Miss (Oklahoma State)
Miss State (Texas Tech)
Arkansas (Baylor)
Auburn (Nebraska or Colorado)
South Carolina (Kansas or Iowa State)
East Team (Missouri or Kansas State)
Oklahoma & Texas were pretty comparable to Alabama & LSU from 2012-2023. Alabama is on a whole different level but as it relates to A&M, they were 5-19 vs both groups.
How is that schedule above all that different? Sure, the 1 time they played Georgia, it was a lot harder schedule. They played Georgia 1 freaking time in 12 years.
The schedule is all I'm talking about.. not the league as a whole.
Posted on 1/10/24 at 9:45 am to BigBro
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How is playing Ole Miss or Mississippi State different than playing Oklahoma State or Texas Tech?
Team Talent Composite
23. Ole Miss
29. Mississippi State
40. Texas Tech
55. Oklahoma State
Posted on 1/10/24 at 9:45 am to BigBro
quote:Because of the fanbases' false sense of importance in this league.
I'm asking a simple question. Why is the SEC schedule so much harder than the Big 12 schedule?
How is playing Ole Miss or Mississippi State different than playing Oklahoma State or Texas Tech? They played about .500 against all of these teams.
How is playing Arkansas from 2012-2023 different than playing Baylor from 2000-2011? They went 11-1 vs Arkansas and 10-2 vs Baylor.
They beat the bad teams consistently.
They lose to the good teams consistently.
How is that any different than its always been?
There are people that truly think playing @ Mississippi State or @ Kentucky is equivalent to playing in Tuscaloosa or Athens, GA because "muh SEC GRIND!!!"
It's like saying Hempstead is just as nice as The Hamptons because they both exist on Long Island.
Posted on 1/10/24 at 9:47 am to SidewalkTiger
quote:That's not always the end all, be all
Team Talent Composite
23. Ole Miss
29. Mississippi State
40. Texas Tech
55. Oklahoma State
Team Talent Composite
1. Alabama
14. Michigan
9. Oklahoma
43. Arizona
Sometimes teams have better coaching, staffs, buy in, etc.?
Posted on 1/10/24 at 9:49 am to BigBro
You will find out when you travel to places like Baton Rouge, Oxford and Athens instead of Lubbock, Waco and Lawrence.
Posted on 1/10/24 at 9:50 am to Lsupimp
The traveled to the 2023 SEC Champion's stadium and beat them by 10 after mercy kneeling to avoid beating them by 17...
Posted on 1/10/24 at 9:53 am to BigBro
the answer is that texas A&M got way better, spent a shite ton more money and resources, recruited better, had better teams, and then did the exact same on the field because the teams they were playing against were all better as well.
Posted on 1/10/24 at 9:53 am to Shea Vinnerbush
Ok. Will bump this thread next November.
You don’t know what you don’t know.
But you will know. And you will be sad.
You don’t know what you don’t know.
But you will know. And you will be sad.
Posted on 1/10/24 at 9:54 am to p226
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If you think the SEC is the premier conference….you must think that’s because the football teams in the conference are better than those in the Big 12. Right?
You are comparing apples and oranges..
Alabama/LSU is equivalent to Oklahoma/Texas.
A&M played both every year. (5-19 vs both sets)
Georgia is great. No argument.
A&M played them 1 time in 12 years, and it wasn't during the last 3 years. They might as well been in a different conference.
There are your 6 NC vs 1 NC.
Posted on 1/10/24 at 9:54 am to Lsupimp
As sad as beating the SEC Champion that nobody else in this conference could beat by 2 scores?
Posted on 1/10/24 at 9:55 am to Lsupimp
These Texas fans sound just like the Aggies when they first came into the conference.
Tough lessons will have to be learned.
Tough lessons will have to be learned.
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