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re: The SEC could do the Big 12 a favor...take Texas instead of Oklahoma...
Posted on 7/1/15 at 10:37 am to cardboardboxer
Posted on 7/1/15 at 10:37 am to cardboardboxer
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The opportunity cost of keeping the LHN is low, many people speculate it was NEVER meant to make money and always meant to stop further realignment.
just so,,, while that may be true, I'm still doubting, sans the bevo grad exec at ESPIN/DIZNEY pushing it through, that this stinker of a deal would have ever happened. after all FOX and CBS would get hurt as much or more from a big realignment, LHN might have been saved by FOX anyway, that's true, but for a smaller sum of course.
While the DIZNEY board big wigs are all pretending the emperor has clothes on(or off seeing what kind of pervs they are), in this age of dying cable sub numbers, it's hard to tell what kind of bidding war would have really come about from the full power 4 conf scenario.
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Posted on 7/1/15 at 10:41 am to cardboardboxer
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The LHN contract doesn't allow for that. It has more than ten years left on it. End of thread.
You never know what can happen. If they moved to the SEC it would add to the SECN deal and ESPN might be agreeable to change. If it were to another conference you have a point, though.
Posted on 7/1/15 at 10:42 am to cardboardboxer
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The LHN contract doesn't allow for that. It has more than ten years left on it. End of thread.
The contract states they can't leave the conference? What if the conference is dissolved?
Posted on 7/1/15 at 10:43 am to Jagd Tiger
Texas won't give up their LHN revenue to join a conference in which they would have no more say than any other school. Texas don't like sharing revenue, is not interested in equal anything, and have ran the Big 12 in the ground to the point of almost folding. Screw Texas. Let them go independent and play Notre Dame and the service academies twice a year.
Posted on 7/1/15 at 10:43 am to dagrippa
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You never know what can happen. If they moved to the SEC it would add to the SECN deal and ESPN might be agreeable to change. If it were to another conference you have a point, though.
the bigger difference would be if it tipped the breaking point on the tier 1 deal and forced CBS to renegotiate, that would be another massive payday increase for the SEC.
Posted on 7/1/15 at 10:58 am to TigersOfGeauxld
This operates under the assumption we want either team.
At BEST we might take Oklahoma. Texas is just redundant.
At BEST we might take Oklahoma. Texas is just redundant.
Posted on 7/1/15 at 11:00 am to skrayper
"Sharing is caring"- everyone in the Big 12 but Texas.
Posted on 7/1/15 at 11:00 am to narddogg81
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why would we want texas in our conference? they destroy every conference they join with their poison
Bama is top dog in the SEC, Texas won't be able to come in and have their way. That's probably why.
This post was edited on 7/1/15 at 11:01 am
Posted on 7/1/15 at 11:10 am to skrayper
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At BEST we might take Oklahoma. Texas is just redundant.
agree, the only way it happens is if one of the N.C. or Virginia schools becomes available but not the other and we need 1 more to fill the final spot. Obviously no "little bro" deals for the plowboys or anything silly like that would happen either.
About the only other possibility making any sense would be an even bigger expansion to 18, taking Bevo-Ou-NC-VT and having 3 six team divisions.
Note this option would allow for a 4 team conference playoff/CC and supplant any other silly college football "playoffs" as THE playoffs,
This post was edited on 7/1/15 at 11:16 am
Posted on 7/1/15 at 11:48 am to TigersOfGeauxld
Just gonna leave this here...
Has the Longhorn Network been a complete disaster for Texas and ESPN?
Yeah, the Longhorn Network would not be an obstacle to Texas joining the SEC. It might even become the main reason why the Longhorns would join this conference...as a way to save face for both Texas and ESPN.
Has the Longhorn Network been a complete disaster for Texas and ESPN?
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Fox Sports' Clay Travis thinks so. And he's actually got the numbers to back it up.
College football troll king Clay Travis isn't the first name that comes to mind when discussing programs outside the SEC in a fair, nuanced manner. But he might be onto something here.
Travis broke down the first four years of the Longhorn Network on his Outkick The Coverage site yesterday and OH GOD THE BLOOD:
How's the Longhorn Network doing?
The answer depends on who you ask.
According to SNL Kagan, the Longhorn Network now has 6.5 million in-state subscribers paying an average rate of .29 a month. Based on SNL's numbers, that means in 2015 the Longhorn Network will bring in $22.6 million in revenue from those 6.5 million subscribers in Texas. ESPN doesn't comment on particular revenue numbers for channels, but ESPN says the LHN actually has 20 million subscribers. That's a big difference in subscriber numbers, but when you parse the difference between those subscriber numbers, the revenue isn't much different. That's because, according to SNL Kagan, all of the national subscribers outside the state of Texas -- that's roughly 13.5 million subscribers -- are paying $0.02 a month, or $0.24 a year, for the Longhorn Network. Those 13.5 million subscribers would add just $3.2 million more a year in revenue, meaning after four years the Longhorn Network is still just doing $25.8 million a year in revenue. (Putting that number in a sports TV context, the Longhorn Network is on pace to do less revenue in 20 years than Mayweather-Pacquiao did in one night of pay-per-view boxing.)
Yeah, the Longhorn Network would not be an obstacle to Texas joining the SEC. It might even become the main reason why the Longhorns would join this conference...as a way to save face for both Texas and ESPN.
Posted on 7/1/15 at 11:59 am to TigersOfGeauxld
hey you LoLSU morons, if you want to be in a league so bad with longhorns and sooners, turn in your SEC membership, quit the SEC and move on.
Posted on 7/1/15 at 12:09 pm to dagrippa
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If they moved to the SEC it would add to the SECN deal
But this is incorrect. It would NOT add to the SECN deal. The SEC ALREADY gets the in-footprint subscriber rate in Texas. If the SEC adds UTx, that number would go up ZERO dollars and ZERO cents. The more successful the SECN is, the more important it becomes to expand into new, high-population regions. The BTN works on the same principle. That's why they added Rutgers.
Posted on 7/1/15 at 12:27 pm to TigersOfGeauxld
If the SEC takes Texas, I hope Mizzou gets out while the gettin' is good.
Posted on 7/1/15 at 12:31 pm to dagrippa
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You never know what can happen. If they moved to the SEC it would add to the SECN deal and ESPN might be agreeable to change.
But it is not just up to ESPN. Texas is held in the Big 12 by a GOR. Not only do they have to be released from the LHN contract by ESPN but they have to be released from the Big 12 GOR by the Baylors and TCUs (aka teams that would stand to lose money from their exit) of the Big 12. It will never happen. No one in the Big 12 is going anywhere for a decade.
Posted on 7/1/15 at 12:33 pm to idlewatcher
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The contract states they can't leave the conference? What if the conference is dissolved?
If the conference is dissolved then as per the LHN contract ESPN gets the first bidding rights for Texas's TV content as an independent. In fact they get the chance to match any deal made to Texas, as right of first refusal is part of what they paid for in the LHN deal.
Posted on 7/1/15 at 12:37 pm to Jagd Tiger
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ust so,,, while that may be true, I'm still doubting, sans the bevo grad exec at ESPIN/DIZNEY pushing it through, that this stinker of a deal would have ever happened. after all FOX and CBS would get hurt as much or more from a big realignment,
Not really.
In 2010 when Texas was looking at the PAC, at the time ESPN had no longterm deal for PAC content (Fox did). If the PAC 16 would have been formed then ESPN would have LOST the rights to OU and Texas games as they had them (and still have them) in the Tier 1 Big 12 deal. Basically the LHN kept them from losing two major brands to the PAC before they could get their claws into the PAC.
There is no other way to explain the LHN contract. Texas themselves thought it worth $3-$5 million a year, $15 million was a bribe to keep the market from constricting via realignment. Lower supply means higher prices for ESPN. By overpaying Texas to stay put they keep the overall supply higher.
Posted on 7/1/15 at 12:42 pm to cardboardboxer
All I know is that the SEC doesn't need them for TV viewership, we already got that covered. The largest ratings in Texas on some games last year for A&M came from Austin. When you got us, you got the horns eyes too just because they have to watch, even if they try to claim they don't.
Posted on 7/1/15 at 12:45 pm to TigersOfGeauxld
While I agree the SEC should take Texas if the opportunity ever came, it's not like Texas would ever want to join. The Big 12 has the worst top to bottom academic standing of any Power 5 conference, but ironically Texas continues to say they are above being a member of the SEC
I have never understood this line of thinking, because the SEC brand has never diluted Vanderbilt's reputation, and it's even made SEC schools a popular destination from kids across the country. With overpriced tuition plaguing a lot of prestigious schools, parents want value and the kids want football
I have never understood this line of thinking, because the SEC brand has never diluted Vanderbilt's reputation, and it's even made SEC schools a popular destination from kids across the country. With overpriced tuition plaguing a lot of prestigious schools, parents want value and the kids want football
This post was edited on 7/1/15 at 12:46 pm
Posted on 7/1/15 at 12:45 pm to TigersOfGeauxld
I'm having difficulty with your line of thought. You admit that the longhorns are a big problem for their current conference. Then you make a case as to why taking on that problem would benefit the SEC. You describe the revenue from the LHN as an advantage, but then post how it is bleeding money and horrible.
I think you have multiple personality disorder, and one personality is a horn fan, and one an LSU fan.
I think you have multiple personality disorder, and one personality is a horn fan, and one an LSU fan.
Posted on 7/1/15 at 12:46 pm to mizslu314
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Yea take texas, all they did was destroy the Big 12.
shite, LSU and Florida had been destroying the Big 12 way before Texas fired the supposed fatal shot.
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