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The SEC could do the Big 12 a favor...take Texas instead of Oklahoma...
Posted on 7/1/15 at 9:55 am
Posted on 7/1/15 at 9:55 am
...on the condition that the Longhorn Network go the way of the dinosaurs and the Whorns become part of the SECN.
That would allow the Big 12 to become a conference of equals...which has been repeatedly demonstrated to be the only model that works.
The Big 12 could replace Texas with BYU, UNLV, and Boise State. With real money the latter two schools could invest in the facilities needed to reinvent their programs and raise their profile.
Imagine a conference tournament game in Las Vegas. That would get recruits' attention.
Losing Texas would be a textbook case of addition by subtraction.
That would allow the Big 12 to become a conference of equals...which has been repeatedly demonstrated to be the only model that works.
The Big 12 could replace Texas with BYU, UNLV, and Boise State. With real money the latter two schools could invest in the facilities needed to reinvent their programs and raise their profile.
Imagine a conference tournament game in Las Vegas. That would get recruits' attention.
Losing Texas would be a textbook case of addition by subtraction.
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Posted on 7/1/15 at 9:56 am to TigersOfGeauxld
How about we take neither
Posted on 7/1/15 at 9:56 am to TigersOfGeauxld
Shut up, you're making sense.
Posted on 7/1/15 at 9:58 am to TigersOfGeauxld
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...on the condition that the Longhorn Network go the way of the dinosaurs and the Whorns become part of the SECN.
The LHN contract doesn't allow for that. It has more than ten years left on it. End of thread.
Posted on 7/1/15 at 9:59 am to TigersOfGeauxld
I'm all for the philosophy of "jumping on the grenade" for a bro, but that goes too far.
A better plan would be to apologize to Mexico for getting involved in their affairs, and give them back Texas. They've overrun it anyway, and we can save money in social programs.
A better plan would be to apologize to Mexico for getting involved in their affairs, and give them back Texas. They've overrun it anyway, and we can save money in social programs.
Posted on 7/1/15 at 9:59 am to cardboardboxer
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The LHN contract doesn't allow for that
It does allow both sides...The University of Texas and ESPN..to mutually agree to cancel it.
Posted on 7/1/15 at 10:02 am to TigersOfGeauxld
why would we want texas in our conference? they destroy every conference they join with their poison. they should be forced to become independents
Posted on 7/1/15 at 10:05 am to narddogg81
Yea take texas, all they did was destroy the Big 12.
Posted on 7/1/15 at 10:06 am to narddogg81
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why would we want texas in our conference?
Why would we want the 2nd-most profitable athletic department in the country? Think of the money the conference would receive on royalties in SEC logos on Texas merchandise. We would all get richer.
I feel the same way about Texass as most here do. This is all about the money. Period.
Posted on 7/1/15 at 10:06 am to TigersOfGeauxld
When the Big 12 folds a new super conference could be formed
Oklahoma
Texas
Flordia St.
Miami
Byu
Notre Dame
West Vrigina
Ok State
Boston College
Louisville
Syracuse
Baylor
TCU
Texas Tech
Oklahoma
Texas
Flordia St.
Miami
Byu
Notre Dame
West Vrigina
Ok State
Boston College
Louisville
Syracuse
Baylor
TCU
Texas Tech
Posted on 7/1/15 at 10:08 am to TigersOfGeauxld
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It does allow both sides...The University of Texas and ESPN..to mutually agree to cancel it.
Lets explore that.
Why would ESPN cancel it? It prevents further conference realignment at this point, and every time there is conference realignment rights fee across the board go up. Even if they lose money on the LHN, they lose more if Texas moves and the chain reaction that comes from that. If nothing else ESPN will be stuck paying top dollar for a less valuable Big 12. It would be a bad financial move.
Why would Texas cancel it? Last year SEC teams got $5-6 million per year from the SEC Network, while the University of Texas got around $9 millionish from the LHN. Towards the end of the contract Texas will makes more then $20 million a year on the LHN. They are going to want to get to those tail-end years, even the SEC Network won't pay them more. Add in the fact that their academic side depends on that money, and the pride hit they would take to admit the LHN is a failure, and there is no good reason for Texas to scrap it.
I mean hell, Texas won't dump the LHN to keep the Big 12 happy. Why would they do it to make another conference happy? It is more likely they go to the ACC than the SEC, as they ACC could give them a Notre Dame deal that allows them to keep the LHN and the academics of the ACC are better.
Posted on 7/1/15 at 10:10 am to TigersOfGeauxld
is all this take texas, take oklahoma stuff based on anything, ore is it just offseason spit balling? I feel like I missed something.
Posted on 7/1/15 at 10:11 am to mizslu314
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Yea take texas, all they did was destroy the Big 12.
In THIS conference they would just be one of 16 teams. I can't imagine a scenario where any other school would group with them for any reason for voting purposes.
Texas A&M? No chance! Arkansas...
Mizzou... 
LSU? 
The Whorns would be tolerated, not venerated here. It's just business.
Posted on 7/1/15 at 10:11 am to piggidyphish
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offseason spit balling
Posted on 7/1/15 at 10:13 am to cardboardboxer
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Lets explore that.
Like I said, it's all about dollars and sense. ESPN is losing money on the Longhorn Network. Adding Texas to the SEC would further increase the value of the SECN...which is ESPN's cash cow atm.
Posted on 7/1/15 at 10:16 am to TigersOfGeauxld
No.
Posted on 7/1/15 at 10:20 am to TigersOfGeauxld
you think there is any "big money" to divide up in that conference w/out the two major Tx schools and no other states of any consequence to pull audience from?
yea they can have an "even distribution of shares" of the TV contract which would resemble nothing like a power conference contract.
yea this makes no dollars or sense for ESPN,, they lose value they are getting in the littlebevo 12 now, and why do we want to rescue bevo? it does completely remove the bev12 as a conference of any significance, so that part makes a little sense for the networks, they can stop wasting money on it.
Thanks for playing though, get your nice booby-consolation prize on the way out.
yea they can have an "even distribution of shares" of the TV contract which would resemble nothing like a power conference contract.
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Like I said, it's all about dollars and sense. ESPN is losing money on the Longhorn Network. Adding Texas to the SEC would further increase the value of the SECN...which is ESPN's cash cow atm.
yea this makes no dollars or sense for ESPN,, they lose value they are getting in the littlebevo 12 now, and why do we want to rescue bevo? it does completely remove the bev12 as a conference of any significance, so that part makes a little sense for the networks, they can stop wasting money on it.
Thanks for playing though, get your nice booby-consolation prize on the way out.
This post was edited on 7/1/15 at 10:28 am
Posted on 7/1/15 at 10:21 am to TigersOfGeauxld
No,screw the Longhorns they single handily destroyed the SWC & Big 12.
Posted on 7/1/15 at 10:23 am to boogiewoogie1978
Oklahoma
Texas
Flordia St.
Miami
Byu
Notre Dame
West Vrigina
Ok State
WTF?? -Boston College
Louisville
also WTF??Syracuse
Baylor
TCU
Texas Tech
yea replace those two w/ Kstate and Arkansas and there's your midget conference/power conf wannabe..
Texas
Flordia St.
Miami
Byu
Notre Dame
West Vrigina
Ok State
WTF?? -Boston College
Louisville
also WTF??Syracuse
Baylor
TCU
Texas Tech
yea replace those two w/ Kstate and Arkansas and there's your midget conference/power conf wannabe..
Posted on 7/1/15 at 10:24 am to TigersOfGeauxld
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ESPN is losing money on the Longhorn Network.
Maybe, but it is a small amount of money compared to what they would lose if Texas goes to the SEC and they have to pay the SEC more for its Tier 2 rights. Oh and that move would drive up the market for all college football rights, so when ESPN tries to buy content in the future (like the Big 10 Tier 1 deal coming up) they will have to pay more. The opportunity cost of keeping the LHN is low, many people speculate it was NEVER meant to make money and always meant to stop further realignment.
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Adding Texas to the SEC would further increase the value of the SECN...
How so? The SEC Network already gets the full rate in the state of Texas. Plus if LHN is gone they no longer get that rate. Right now they get paid 29 cents for almost every cable subscribing Texan via the LHN:
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So just adding them would have to add more than 29 cents to the SEC Network rate which it won't because that is spread across the SEC. So it might be pretty hard to monetize those extra viewers in Texas.
I get it, Texas is a big program and people like the idea of the SEC being some mini NFL. The truth is that the LHN is a huge hurdle that isn't going away for over a decade.
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