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re: the ramifications of the decision
Posted on 12/4/23 at 3:24 pm to stephendomalley
Posted on 12/4/23 at 3:24 pm to stephendomalley
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the ramifications of the decision
There are none. This is the last year of the 4 team playoff.
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if you are a school without a storied history, you have little chance of ever making it to a title run.
New to the sport? This was always the case, it’s less this way now, and next year they’re letting everyone in.
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I'm not angry at Alabama, but the system.
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Just like everything else, college football is being ruined. By the money.
This doesn’t make sense. Money and expanded playoff is solving all the problems you just ranted about. Your melt lacks consistency.
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Posted on 12/4/23 at 3:26 pm to captdalton
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So, tell me about the long, storied histories of Cincinnati and TCU please. Since they made the playoffs the last two years.
Cincinnati had to go undefeated twice in consecutive seasons (on top of two consecutive 11 win seasons in the two years prior to that, for a combined record of 44-6 including bowls over 4 years) before they got a playoff spot at the end of their second consecutive undefeated season.
TCU was one of the strongest football programs in the country for the better part of 20 years, and had to trade up conferences twice before they got a shot.
Nobody is saying it's impossible for the less-storied programs to make it. Just that the less-storied programs have to do more to get in than the storied programs do. There is built in disadvantage for non-blue-bloods and that is 100% by design.
This post was edited on 12/4/23 at 3:35 pm
Posted on 12/4/23 at 3:31 pm to Aubie Spr96
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USC, Bama, Notre Dame
And what happens when those teams are still there at the end of the playoffs? Because they may just be better than the others. You gonna scream "not fair" then?
Posted on 12/4/23 at 3:34 pm to stephendomalley
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the ramifications of the decision
The ramifications of the decision are that teams shouldn't expect to play a slightly tougher schedule than a G5 team and still expect to get in.
Posted on 12/4/23 at 3:43 pm to stephendomalley
It’s either un-American or the most American thing ever. Regardless, it is blue blood bias on full display. Unabashed favoritism. Disgraceful.
Posted on 12/4/23 at 3:53 pm to jamespatterson
The reporters that are all crying today are the ones that forced all this change.
Posted on 12/4/23 at 3:55 pm to Prof
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They're betting on no ramifications because of the move to 12.
My thought as well. Do they make the same decision if it was still at 4 for the foreseeable future? I’m skeptical.
Posted on 12/4/23 at 3:55 pm to twk
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Next year, its moot.
Nah, whoever is number 13 will be raising hell that they were robbed of being number 12.
Posted on 12/4/23 at 3:59 pm to Aubie Spr96
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The dads with the pull get their kids on the team and little Johnny with the dad on the late shift job gets hosed.
no need to use an alias. We all know little johnny is lsu.
Posted on 12/4/23 at 4:07 pm to Tideroller
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Nah, whoever is number 13 will be raising hell that they were robbed of being number 12.
Not the same kind of outrage. This is about an undefeated Power conference champ being left out over one with a loss. That problem is solved from here on.
Also this shouldn’t be about FSU vs Bama. It’s about FSU being left out.
Posted on 12/4/23 at 4:09 pm to Lg
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And what happens when those teams are still there at the end of the playoffs? Because they may just be better than the others. You gonna scream "not fair" then?
Nope. Why would I?
Posted on 12/4/23 at 4:11 pm to WestSideTiger
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It’s about FSU being left out.
And you seem not to understand "why".
Posted on 12/4/23 at 4:14 pm to jamespatterson
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it is blue blood bias on full display. Unabashed favoritism.
Then they need to do away with any rankings of any type until the 12 teams are disclosed.
Posted on 12/4/23 at 4:16 pm to twk
quote:Que the "X deserves that 12 spot way more than Y" arguments. Also, people will really start bitching about their seeding and who gets the bye. People are going to bitch. That's how it is.
The ramification of the decision is something that was already in place: we are going from a 4-team playoff to a 12-team playoff.
FSU joined the ACC because it was the easiest and most reliable path to a conference championship and a BCS Bowl appearance available to them at the time. It's a shite conference, that's why they joined. Bobby Bowden said publicly that winning takes care of recruiting and joining the ACC guaranteed a bunch of wins for FSU in an era where number of wins and margin of victory was a prime factor in BCS selections.
The strategy worked for them:
-They won the ACC the first 9 years they were in the conference -- in a row.
-They got two national titles in the 90s
-They lived in the top 10 for nearly 20 years -- never finished below 5th in the AP from 1991 - 2000.
-They played in the conference for almost three entire seasons before ever losing a conference game (UVA, 1995), then went another three years before losing another one (NC State, 1998), then three years again before losing their third conference game (UNC, 2001). They played almost an entire decade before losing a conference game at home (NC State, 2001).
But the chickens came home to roost this year. The Big 12 was shite too, but Texas is living off the victory in Tuscaloosa (in other words, they're in over FSU because Bama's in and they beat Bama).
The CFB world changed dramatically over the past five years or so and FSU's administration failed to put them in a position to compete for championships. It really does suck for the players and coaches because they had nothing to do with it in the present.
Posted on 12/4/23 at 4:21 pm to BamaGradinTn
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I would suggest that Fla State has a more storied history than Washington.
That's because you're probably no older than your thirties.
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quote:Fla State is 12th overall in winning percentage. That's tops in the ACC, behind only Alabama and Tennessee from the SEC, and behind only USC from the Pac.
Bowden put FSU on the map nationally starting in 1980. Washington had played in eight Rose Bowls before that, the first being in 1923.
Georgia and LSU are 13 and 14 on that list, btw.
Washington is 22nd.
Florida State is:
3-0 against Ohio State, 2-0 against USC, 2-1 against Michigan, 6-5 against Notre Dame, 6-2 against Nebraska, 1-1 against Penn State, and yes 0-3-1 against Alabama.
They've finished Top 5 in 17 AP polls, 18 Coach's polls, with 3 national titles. 3 Heismans. They had a stretch of 13 consecutive top 5 finishes from 1987 thru 2000.
Washington has played a lot longer, that's the only thing they have on FSU.
Posted on 12/4/23 at 4:28 pm to McGregor
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Wash was going to Rose Bowls way before FSU was a thing.
For those who don't know the history of college football teams in the southeast weren't taken very seriously in the early days.
The game that changed the south was the 1926 Rose Bowl. 9-0 Alabama got the surprise invite to play 10-0-1 Washington and won the game 20-19 after trailing 12-0 at halftime.
Posted on 12/4/23 at 4:37 pm to Lg
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And you seem not to understand "why".
I understand why. My point is do they make that same decision if we were to have the same playoff system in the future. The thread is about ramifications of the decision.
But to your point. The committee dug themselves in a a hole because if that’s their logic then why have FSU at #4 in week 13?
Posted on 12/4/23 at 4:41 pm to WestSideTiger
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then why have FSU at #4 in week 13?
Maybe they hoped the 3rd string qb would pull a Cardale Jones and go lights out on Louisville. IDK. But after watching that abysmal display of offense, the decision was pretty easy at that point, I would have to believe. Otherwise they would have been pretty much giving a bye to Michigan.
Posted on 12/4/23 at 4:43 pm to stephendomalley
You typed some words and ignored that the whole system goes away next year.
Posted on 12/4/23 at 4:46 pm to stephendomalley
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if you are a school without a storied history, you have little chance of ever making it to a title run.
they'll be in the 12-team playoff with a conference championship.
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