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re: The NCAA should allow pay for play

Posted on 9/11/19 at 1:00 pm to
Posted by WithaRebelYell
Bristol TN
Member since Jan 2013
4859 posts
Posted on 9/11/19 at 1:00 pm to
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How big do you think this sum of money is?



I mean it varys from player to player I bet Tua would make like .5 million dollars and a OL making 4k.
This post was edited on 9/11/19 at 1:01 pm
Posted by Diamondawg
Mississippi
Member since Oct 2006
32231 posts
Posted on 9/11/19 at 1:05 pm to
Most athletic departments lose money every year already. Want to kill college sports?
Posted by givem6
Member since Sep 2019
112 posts
Posted on 9/11/19 at 1:18 pm to
Exactly!!
Posted by chillmonster
Atlanta, GA
Member since Dec 2018
5072 posts
Posted on 9/11/19 at 1:27 pm to
There is absolutely no was this kills college sports.

There's just too much money being made for this not to be figured.
Posted by CivilTiger83
Member since Dec 2017
2525 posts
Posted on 9/11/19 at 1:31 pm to
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Most athletic departments lose money every year already. Want to kill college sports?


That kind of like saying most non-profits make zero money every year.

The money that is going to pay coaches salaries and supporting staff and building large new shiny buildings would go to paying players. What would also likely occur would be a decrease of alumni interest in the sport, which would impact total revenues.
Posted by MaroonNation
StarkVegas, Mississippi, Bitch!
Member since Nov 2010
21950 posts
Posted on 9/11/19 at 1:40 pm to
Y’all have paid players for decades. I know this seems natural to you.
Posted by kmdawg17
'Murica
Member since Sep 2015
1524 posts
Posted on 9/11/19 at 1:41 pm to
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Therein lies the rub Most of you on here are young and do not remember the point shaving scandals of the 1950's. The main (often not published) reason for the NCAA is players vs organized crime (tho most of their press is about schools and impermissible benefits). If a player can sign a shirt for 500 bucks you are allowing a hole in the dam for criminal folks to get through as it puts cash out there with untraceable (or hard to trace) roots that is almost impossible to monitor.


Also a very valid point
Posted by WildManGoose
Member since Nov 2005
4568 posts
Posted on 9/11/19 at 1:48 pm to
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If a college player can sign a shirt and make $500...let him.
What if a college player can make $600,000 by speaking in front of the local rotary club that happens to be filled with LocalU boosters? Does that shift in magnitude alter your perception of this law? Because I think it should. You would be very naive to think this won't be exploited to the very limits of absurdity. Maybe the kicker would get $500 for an autograph, but what kind of opportunities do you think would be promised to someone like Trevor Lawrence?

Here's a scenario. TLaw just wins the national title. SC, with it's infinitely superior local and booster support, calls up Trevor and says, "Hey T, we need a QB. Transfer here and we'll set you up with monthly speaking engagements that will net you about $500K each year you are enrolled at the university. Have your agent call me if you're interested and we'll get a contract drawn up."

ETA: I really can't understand why people think the system needs to be changed in this way. Why do these players need to be compensated above that of scholarships and stipends. I don't think there is one single compelling argument out there to support it.
This post was edited on 9/11/19 at 1:52 pm
Posted by ManBearSharkReb
Member since Dec 2018
3733 posts
Posted on 9/11/19 at 2:02 pm to
The player compensation budget for all sports would be around 5 million per year. Ole Miss currently pays a retarded person over 3 million per year to be their “head coach”. So that pretty much blows up the unaffordable argument.

You pay women athletes as well. So that blows up the title IX argument.

Also love how everyone in this thread is essentially okay with schools and the NCAA profiting off of the players who are generating all of the athletic revenue without the players getting a share of the cut. Muh scholarships!!!1!1!!

You are all fricking communists.
Posted by DonBro
Omaha NE
Member since Dec 2012
457 posts
Posted on 9/11/19 at 2:06 pm to
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People who want these People who want these athletes to be paid don't understand that they're already making millions of dollars without even realizing what they've got access to. If you go to a smaller school where you don't have access to these things -- pity, you should focus on your education. to be paid don't understand that they're already making millions of dollars without even realizing what they've got access to. If you go to a smaller school where you don't have access to these things -- pity, you should focus on your education.

You can’t be that inarticulate. Maybe you are
This post was edited on 9/11/19 at 2:08 pm
Posted by Cheese Grits
Wherever I lay my hat is my home
Member since Apr 2012
54630 posts
Posted on 9/11/19 at 2:29 pm to
You have a free education, better ti advance you're future than enrich the pockets of those who need your money in their pockets like lawyers and agents.

The fact that LeBron James - who never attended college - is the poster boy for the CA law tells me more than some talking head looking for clickbait.
Posted by WildManGoose
Member since Nov 2005
4568 posts
Posted on 9/11/19 at 2:35 pm to
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The player compensation budget for all sports would be around 5 million per year.


Not one thing being brought up is about SCHOOLS paying players. It's about players being allowed The "head coach" is an employee. College athletes are not.

So, when a school builds a nutrition center exclusively for athletes, is that not them getting a "cut" of the proceeds. You can use that example and list a dozen more. Are they not also getting prime exposure to professional athletic organizations? Just like an unpaid internship, except, not *actually* uncompensated. Downplaying the value of scholarships, stipends, medical care and fringe benefits not available to regular students is retarded.
Posted by BamaGradinTn
Murfreesboro
Member since Dec 2008
26957 posts
Posted on 9/11/19 at 2:39 pm to
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With Title IX things get a big problematic.

I can see a world where Men's Golf, Wrestling, Baseball, Men's Tennis are all cut because they suck money - whereas Women's sports are preserved.



You really don't understand Title IX, do you?

It protects men's sports as well as women's. You cut a men's sport, you have to cut a women's sport also.
This post was edited on 9/11/19 at 2:43 pm
Posted by Cheese Grits
Wherever I lay my hat is my home
Member since Apr 2012
54630 posts
Posted on 9/11/19 at 2:49 pm to
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You cut a men's sport, you have to cut a women's sport also.


So if this goes through (I think it is based on scholarships) ....

MCBB = WCBB || so they both stay

CFB = W gymnastics x + W softball + W volleyball || so they all stay

All other M and W sports shut down.

M golf = W golf (both shut down)
M tennis = W tennis (both shut down)
Posted by Keltic Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2006
19280 posts
Posted on 9/11/19 at 3:22 pm to
This is being discussed at a seemingly lower level of economics. But once this door is opened, what is to keep a national company, a pizza or major car manufacturer, a shoe company, from signing a national contract worth millions of dollars? Not every player, no, but a player from a high PR profile, say N.D. in the Chicago market or USC...yea yea yea, I know....in the S.Calif. market, how many car dealerships in BR would pay JB now to market their cars? And with recruiting already cut throat, how many tips would the IRS be getting from AU fans re bama players incomes? From Ms.St. fans re Black Bear players? This would not be opening Pandora's Box, this would be like opening the Black Hole.
Posted by Diamondawg
Mississippi
Member since Oct 2006
32231 posts
Posted on 9/11/19 at 3:44 pm to
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That kind of like saying most non-profits make zero money every year.

If you don't operate your non-profit as though it was for profit, you won't be in business very long. Operating in the red will put you out of business. Most athletic department operate in the red but are subsidized by their school. Are you going to pay the star quarterback the same as the sub girl's volleyball player? Title IX anyone?
Posted by civiltiger07
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2011
14022 posts
Posted on 9/11/19 at 3:46 pm to
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I mean it varys from player to player I bet Tua would make like .5 million dollars and a OL making 4k.


I would bet that those "estimates" are grossly over estimated.
Posted by WithaRebelYell
Bristol TN
Member since Jan 2013
4859 posts
Posted on 9/13/19 at 12:02 pm to
You think Tua doesn't sell 50 thousand jerseys or Johnny Manzeal did?
Posted by RiverCityTide
Member since Sep 2019
205 posts
Posted on 9/13/19 at 12:07 pm to
Y’all are missing the whole point of this. They are trying to make it legal for players to profit off of their likeness and images. Basically this would just allow players to make money off autographs and selling items like jerseys and shoes. This is not meant to pay them a salary or something.
Posted by roadGator
Member since Feb 2009
140234 posts
Posted on 9/13/19 at 12:10 pm to
How much should the bowling team make?
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