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re: The NCAA should allow pay for play

Posted on 9/13/19 at 12:10 pm to
Posted by Cheese Grits
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Posted on 9/13/19 at 12:10 pm to
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Basically this would just allow players to make money off autographs and selling items like jerseys and shoes.


Which opens boaters and organized crime back into the mix

Either the federal government or the NCAA will allow that without a fight.
Posted by RiverCityTide
Member since Sep 2019
205 posts
Posted on 9/13/19 at 12:13 pm to
All I’m saying is, people are imploding over this but it has nothing to do with players making a salary. It will not give any school at advantage unless of course a booster happens to pay 100k for a jersey for a player to go to their school ;)
Posted by Cheese Grits
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Posted on 9/13/19 at 12:16 pm to
Or a member of the Russian mob buys their jersey for 500 and points get shaved.

While most on here did not live through the 50's, some did.
Posted by McMillan
Member since Jul 2018
5895 posts
Posted on 9/13/19 at 12:39 pm to
In other words, like the disaster in COMO in 2015.
Posted by FairhopeTider
Fairhope, Alabama
Member since May 2012
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Posted on 9/13/19 at 12:42 pm to
Someone has still yet to explain how the “profit off their likeness” works. For instance, who gets the royalties from the sale of a #2 Alabama jersey?

- Derek Henry, one of only 2 Heisman winners in Alabama history
- Jalen Hurts, a current college player who wore that number up until last year and is one of the most high profile players in the country
- Keilan Robinson or Patrick Surtain, the two current players on the Alabama roster who wear the jersey

So who’s “likeness” is being used when I see that #2 jersey for sale in a sporting goods store? Who gets the royalties? Do they get them in perpetuity? Are we just asking kids to make deals on their own with apparel companies? If so, can the schools enforce their trademark if they think it hurts their brand?
This post was edited on 9/13/19 at 12:49 pm
Posted by muletide
Orange Beach
Member since May 2019
342 posts
Posted on 9/13/19 at 1:07 pm to
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pay for play

Is that like what Hugh Freeze did with his "girlfriend"?
Posted by Guess
Down The Road
Member since Jun 2009
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Posted on 9/13/19 at 1:52 pm to
A salary cap in the NCAA? This is dumb.

The only way pay for play could possibly work is to take the pay part away from the schools. If a kid is marketable(very few will be) they will get paid. If not they won't. Every thing is fair as far as title IX and other sports because it's out of the schools hands and all kids have the same opportunity.

It also seems to maintain amateurism as they aren't technically being paid by their team to play, but by a third party for other things.
Posted by aujerm
North ATL burbs
Member since Oct 2016
964 posts
Posted on 9/13/19 at 1:56 pm to
How about we just allow a farm system like baseball has and allow players to go to it as they wish whether it by out of high school, or after a year or two in college athletics? Secondly, how about we not penalize a student athlete for entering in the draft and allow them back if they aren’t drafted as high as they wish?

Allows cfb to keep amateur status and players to make money if that’s what they want to do.
Posted by Dday63
Member since Sep 2014
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Posted on 9/13/19 at 2:12 pm to
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How about we just allow a farm system like baseball has and allow players to go to it as they wish


"Allow" a farm system? It's already allowed, but obviously the NFL does not think it would be profitable....certainly not as profitable as the free farm system they have now with college ball.

Without going into all the detail, baseball and football just had different historical roots. Baseball really was America's pasttime a century ago, and pro baseball was considered a legitimate trade, so you had plenty of demand for professional players. Football primarily developed as a college sport, and by the time the NFL formed we already had a fan following for the college game.

I would love to see minor league football take hold and leave college football for the amateurs and real students, but that ship has sailed.

The colleges will eventually be forced to allow players to make money, and with that the college game will be destroyed. Maybe THEN we will get minor league football.

Posted by Allyn McKeen
Key West, FL
Member since Jun 2012
4275 posts
Posted on 9/13/19 at 2:45 pm to
Is the NCAA going to have to conform to any and every state law that passes? If California can get away with this one, just wait until next year's legislation. You haven't seen anything yet.
Posted by bigDgator
Dallas, TX
Member since Oct 2008
41278 posts
Posted on 9/13/19 at 2:56 pm to
I think all the states who would like to abide by the NCAA's rules just consider themselves sancutary states so they don't have obey federal law.
Posted by CBBDawg316
North Carolina
Member since Sep 2019
249 posts
Posted on 9/13/19 at 3:11 pm to
I can be on both sides of the fence on this one. I think it is tricky to allow them to get compensated for their likeness and the jersey example is perfect one. Also, this idea benefits the schools with the biggest booster pockets. They'll know how to play the game.

But I think Tebow's passionate response on this issue is dead on. The kids go into these schools with the understanding it's about the University/College. They know what they are signing up for. Call it a glorified internship because most of the athletes on that stage are vying for a bigger opportunity...the NFL, MLB, etc. But there's also the chance, as with an internship, you don't make the cut. And you live with it and find your next opportunity. I agree with Tebow, it's why I love college sports more than the pro's...because of the passion behind it and the chaos that occurs because a lesser team that plays like a 'team' can beat the odds. The pros is almost a formality...

I'm an ex-collegiate baseball player... and would I have loved to get some compensation for my time since I didn't make it to the league? Sure. But I also got free tuition, experiences, travel, gear, relationships, connections, etc. etc. Yeah, the thought you get hurt in the CFB and lose millions of dollars on a possible NFL contract is nauseating...but you could also go to college and work for most of the rest of your life paying off that same debt if your ride wasn't paid for.

Let's keep the passion, the drama, the hunger and the amateur status for college...there will always be another way to make a dollar.

Tebow's POV
Posted by DivePlay
Member since Sep 2012
948 posts
Posted on 9/13/19 at 3:37 pm to
If the school is taking such advantage of these national treasures, how about we take them out of the equation and let the NFL create a minor league football program? Take the school/NCAA out of it all together.

I am sure tons of people would pay those same millions to try that...it would be like the XFL. Oh.....

I think the athletes need the schools and the institution and traditions they have created more than the schools need the flavor of the month in high school recruits who most do nothing to increase the academic pedigree of the university.
Posted by Cheese Grits
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Posted on 9/13/19 at 3:41 pm to
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NFL create a minor league football program?


NFL is corporate welfare. Some of the richest folks in the USA yet they put the taxpayers on the dole to pay for their stadiums. They will not create a minor league as they are too cheap to pay for it out of their own pocket.
Posted by CBBDawg316
North Carolina
Member since Sep 2019
249 posts
Posted on 9/13/19 at 3:48 pm to
Not every athlete is an jock without a plan. While most want to get to the League, most understand they need a fall back plan by earning a degree.

Go to the 'farm league' and not receive an education...then what?

Now you're X years removed from high school, with no money saved, and back in the same boat of needing an education to help create a career. So now you get to, most likely, create debt for yourself trying to get back on par to create a foundation for yourself.

Absolutely, the schools put the players on the map because of their prestige and tradition...but it also can work to a players advantage down the road.
Posted by SeeeeK
some where
Member since Sep 2012
28049 posts
Posted on 9/13/19 at 4:10 pm to
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Players getting paid is as free market as it gets.


Only way Ole Miss could even be relative in Football, and that lasted 2 years??

And still 0 'fer vs Missouri
Posted by DivePlay
Member since Sep 2012
948 posts
Posted on 9/13/19 at 4:14 pm to
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NFL is corporate welfare. Some of the richest folks in the USA yet they put the taxpayers on the dole to pay for their stadiums. They will not create a minor league as they are too cheap to pay for it out of their own pocket.


I get you are a progressive cultist, but no city is forced to play for a stadium. Supply and demand. It is something some cities believe they have to have in order to attract tourist dollars. And it is the cities pushing using taxpayer dollars...not "government" money. Since there are a limited amount of teams then they have to sweeten the deal to win the team. Basic economics. NFL does not OWE. YOU. SH!T.

Now get back on topic you filthy neo-marxist.
This post was edited on 9/13/19 at 4:19 pm
Posted by DivePlay
Member since Sep 2012
948 posts
Posted on 9/13/19 at 4:18 pm to
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Absolutely, the schools put the players on the map because of their prestige and tradition...but it also can work to a players advantage down the road.


That is exactly my point, and why I kind of think both sides are full of sh1t. You can't have it both ways, and you can't just do it half way without it ending in disaster with Title IX thank you gubment.

You either keep the current system, find an NCAA competitor that colleges are willing to move to that pays ALL players, or you remove college athletics as a competitive entity. Any other solution is doing nothing but paving the way for a total breakdown resulting in one of the original three options.
Posted by Cheese Grits
Wherever I lay my hat is my home
Member since Apr 2012
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Posted on 9/13/19 at 5:08 pm to
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I get you are a progressive cultist


Actually, the opposite

Extremely fiscally conservative

I was raised by folks that experienced adult life in the Great Depression and World Wars.

quote:

no city is forced to play for a stadium


Actually they are. Owner threatens to move coupled with the "cache" for local politicians to rub elbows with the rich and famous.

quote:

NFL does not OWE. YOU. SH!T.


I have no problem with that, however, the opposite should apply that I don't pay taxes to subsidize some multi billionaire so he can get richer and I can not afford to attend a game.

quote:

Now get back on topic


It is all the same topic!

Let college go to amateur athletics and let the pros foot the bill for the farm teams. Just don't use my tax dollars to enrich their pockets. In a free market you trade time in college for exposure and a no debt education. Getting all that and paid on top is just excessive greed and based on agents, lawyers, and girlfriends getting a cash percentage where a degree is 100% to the athlete.
Posted by Poker Dough
Atlanta
Member since Jan 2018
8600 posts
Posted on 9/13/19 at 5:40 pm to
They do, at Bama
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