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re: The Inadvertent Whistle Call Last Night
Posted on 11/25/22 at 8:54 am to RandySavage
Posted on 11/25/22 at 8:54 am to RandySavage
quote:This is correct. Acknowledging this doesn’t diminish State’s win in the least, so there really isn’t a reason for state fans to be so defensive about it. Had they gotten it right and said no immediate recovery, State would have been screwed out of the opportunity to recover the fumble. Just bad officiating once the whistle blew the play dead. Trying to fix the mistake is going to screw over one of the teams. It’s best to just apply the rule for the situation, but the officials screwed that up too.
That is the spirit of the rule and when applied correctly makes sense. Last night was applied completely wrong as it was nowhere near an immediate recovery and the whistle clearly impacted the actions of the players surrounding the ball.
This post was edited on 11/25/22 at 8:55 am
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Posted on 11/25/22 at 8:55 am to WDE24
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This is the part that didn’t happen and why replay messed it up a second time after the officials messed it up on the field.
Immediate covers it in this case, since the player never stopped playing. Whether other players did or not doesn’t matter. If they had all like moved back to get set for the next play instead of someone picking it up, then it would not be considered immediate.
By the rules they got it right, I would argue the word immediate needs to be changed to a more specific description. But it’s just there as a blanket to serve as an end point for consideration to cover insane situations like the ball hanging out on the field through a timeout or something.
Posted on 11/25/22 at 8:55 am to WDE24
I don't care who won the game at all and ultimately it didn't really impact it, it's just the level of incompetence consistently shown by officials/replay officials/league offices that infuriates me every weekend.
Posted on 11/25/22 at 8:56 am to RandySavage
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ultimately it didn't really impact it
It allowed State to run more time off the clock. It was a big turn over.
Posted on 11/25/22 at 8:57 am to skirpnasty
Dude even the guy that recovered it did it almost as an afterthought, he clearly did not keep playing as he would have in a normal fumble situation.
Posted on 11/25/22 at 8:58 am to REBEL5 AC
What made no sense was they were gonna replay the 1st down originally. That's stupid, that's an incomplete pass that has to be second down.
Luckily for Ole Miss Will Rogers is our QB so State couldn't even score a point out of the turnover.
Luckily for Ole Miss Will Rogers is our QB so State couldn't even score a point out of the turnover.
Posted on 11/25/22 at 8:58 am to skirpnasty
quote:Wrong. Both OM and MSU players with a clear opportunity to recover the ball pulled up. Even the guy that eventually recovered it pulled up for a second as well.
Immediate covers it in this case, since the player never stopped playing.
quote:Of they had time to recover but pulled up, the person that eventually recovered didn’t do it immediately. Poor officiating all the way around.
Whether other players did or not doesn’t matter.
Posted on 11/25/22 at 9:00 am to The Winner
quote:it was a fumble blown dead by the early whistle. Team with the possession has the option of taking the play with the ball at the spot of the fumble or replaying the down. Had that happened it would have been the right call by the rules, but also bs that screwed MSU.
What made no sense was they were gonna replay the 1st down originally. That's stupid, that's an incomplete pass that has to be second down.
This post was edited on 11/25/22 at 9:02 am
Posted on 11/25/22 at 9:00 am to The Winner
As far as the call they got it right…. BUT to previously say inadvertent whistle replay the down, after that point there should have been no play to review. That’s the part that made the officials look like idiots. You can’t review a play that didn’t happen.
Posted on 11/25/22 at 9:00 am to MaroonNation
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Make-up call from the State-Memphis game last year.
The difference between the two is “a player simulating placing his knee on the ground” is specified as an action that designates a dead ball. So in the Memphis game, he kneeled, the ball was marked as dead, but there was no whistle. It’s a similar situation but also the opposite of what happened last night. Last night the ball was not dead, but the whistle was blown and that was the mistake.
Posted on 11/25/22 at 9:02 am to skirpnasty
I think state wins regardless. This play did not determine the game.
But… to say the recovering player never stopped playing is wrong. He plays it longer than anyone else sure, but in the end, slows down picks up the ball and tosses it to the official.
But… to say the recovering player never stopped playing is wrong. He plays it longer than anyone else sure, but in the end, slows down picks up the ball and tosses it to the official.
Posted on 11/25/22 at 9:02 am to RandySavage
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the level of incompetence consistently shown by officials/replay officials/league offices that infuriates me every weekend.
This.
Posted on 11/25/22 at 9:02 am to The Winner
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What made no sense was they were gonna replay the 1st down originally. That's stupid, that's an incomplete pass that has to be second down.
Because they initially said it was an inadvertent whistle, which it wasn’t. It was in intentional whistle incorrectly blown, changing it from inadvertent was the first in the chain of decisions.
Posted on 11/25/22 at 9:13 am to REBEL5 AC
A lateral pass was called forward on the field. Inadvertent or not, they blew a whistle and play stopped while a moss state player casually picked the ball up (not an immediate recovery scenario).
Upon review, refs decided to overturn the call and rule it a backwards pass, AND pretend Moo state made an immediate recovery.
Then Moo state fumbled at the goal line for ole miss to drive for a last two minute TD but not make the two pointer they needed anyway, sort of making the zebras' incorrect call negligible anyway.
Upon review, refs decided to overturn the call and rule it a backwards pass, AND pretend Moo state made an immediate recovery.
Then Moo state fumbled at the goal line for ole miss to drive for a last two minute TD but not make the two pointer they needed anyway, sort of making the zebras' incorrect call negligible anyway.
Posted on 11/25/22 at 9:15 am to skirpnasty
Head ref "WTF?"
2nd ref "I called backward pass"
3rd ref "Crap, I blew it dead as incomplete"
Head ref "gawd damn morons. Fukkit, it never happened."
Booth "Hey dumbasses, camera caught doofus there calling it a backward pass. It's all the TV guys are talking about. Boy do you look stupid!" Sound of franticly flipping pages in the backround "Who picked it up?"
2nd ref "Some state guy"
Booth "You dumfuks, you gotta give it to MSU. Geez are we gonna catch hell for this!"
2nd ref "I called backward pass"
3rd ref "Crap, I blew it dead as incomplete"
Head ref "gawd damn morons. Fukkit, it never happened."
Booth "Hey dumbasses, camera caught doofus there calling it a backward pass. It's all the TV guys are talking about. Boy do you look stupid!" Sound of franticly flipping pages in the backround "Who picked it up?"
2nd ref "Some state guy"
Booth "You dumfuks, you gotta give it to MSU. Geez are we gonna catch hell for this!"
This post was edited on 11/25/22 at 12:24 pm
Posted on 11/25/22 at 9:19 am to RealDawg
"Call was strange. Nobody seemed to react to an inadvertent whistle."
Was curious if what they really meant was they blew the fumble dead and shouldn’t have.
Not sure when whistle occurred but nobody tried to recover the fumble/dropped pass until like 3 secs after the play. Ole Miss players seemed to have no want to get the ball ( is that because of the whistle?)
Was curious if what they really meant was they blew the fumble dead and shouldn’t have.
Not sure when whistle occurred but nobody tried to recover the fumble/dropped pass until like 3 secs after the play. Ole Miss players seemed to have no want to get the ball ( is that because of the whistle?)
Posted on 11/25/22 at 9:23 am to REBEL5 AC
I didn’t hear the whistle on tv, but it doesn’t matter, it was correctly a lateral/fumble and Miss. St. Picked it up.
Refs just bungled how they got there
Refs just bungled how they got there
Posted on 11/25/22 at 9:39 am to REBEL5 AC
The line judge had it as a lateral from the get go. It was a live ball and another ref blew his whistle. Everyone stopped. Johnson picked up the ball.
The head ref did a bad job of explaining things prior to the review. He should have said, “Ruling on the field was a lateral recovered by the defense. Play was stopped due to an inadvertent whistle. The previous play is under review.”
The review was only determining pass or lateral. It clearly didn’t go forward, so the ruling on the field was confirmed.
TV thought the whistle was before the play so they presented it wrong due to the poor explanation.
The head ref did a bad job of explaining things prior to the review. He should have said, “Ruling on the field was a lateral recovered by the defense. Play was stopped due to an inadvertent whistle. The previous play is under review.”
The review was only determining pass or lateral. It clearly didn’t go forward, so the ruling on the field was confirmed.
TV thought the whistle was before the play so they presented it wrong due to the poor explanation.
Posted on 11/25/22 at 9:51 am to UncleFestersLegs
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Players stopped including the Ole Miss player who could have recovered it. Then he should have. Ball on the ground you fall on. Then there's no problem. BTW it was a backwards pass even kiffen said so. Not falling on the ball just to be safe is dumb whistle or not
Not a single person is arguing this.
Simply asked if a better explanation was provided on tv.
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