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re: The Decline of Football in America
Posted on 1/23/21 at 9:49 am to dirty bastard
Posted on 1/23/21 at 9:49 am to dirty bastard
CFB is in big trouble. Alabama, Clemson, and Ohio State got to stop sucking up all the talented and good coaches. They have created a monopoly, especially Bama. If they continue to show up in the playoff and win it year after year, CFB will die faster and faster. Why watch when the only thing that matters is the CFB playoff and it's a repeat of the same story/scenario as last year or even a couple years ago? Also, the games in the CFB itself suck arse. All we get are blowouts. The gap is so epic between Alabama and say a solid program like Michigan State or USC(west), which used to be considered elite programs. After Alabama beat that really good Michigan State team 3 or 4 years ago in the CFB semi-final by 28 points, they never recovered from that. Alabama is just so goddamm stacked every year, they are killing CFB programs.
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Posted on 1/23/21 at 9:51 am to dirty bastard
Soccer getting more popular too
Posted on 1/23/21 at 9:58 am to Kansas City King
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CFB is in big trouble. Alabama, Clemson, and Ohio State got to stop sucking up all the talented and good coaches. They have created a monopoly, especially Bama. If they continue to show up in the playoff and win it year after year, CFB will die faster and faster. Why watch when the only thing that matters is the CFB playoff and it's a repeat of the same story/scenario as last year or even a couple years ago? Also, the games in the CFB itself suck arse. All we get are blowouts. The gap is so epic between Alabama and say a solid program like Michigan State or USC(west), which used to be considered elite programs. After Alabama beat that really good Michigan State team 3 or 4 years ago in the CFB semi-final by 28 points, they never recovered from that. Alabama is just so goddamm stacked every year, they are killing CFB programs.
"Is this what you want college football to be?" Coach tried to warn everyone before he too went all ballistic on the sport.
52 to 24 is a blowout, but back in the day, it might have been more like 27 to 10. Plenty of folks would have cried about the lopsided score.
What has changed is super teams. Recruits are making business decisions and only a few teams are getting the very top of the elite recruits. That said, LSU, Georgia, TAMU, Florida have no reason to complain. Alabama is shopping the same place these SEC teams are picking up their groceries. We just happen to be better cooks right now.
Posted on 1/23/21 at 9:58 am to dirty bastard
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The Decline of Football in America
Saban has defeated all of you.
Posted on 1/23/21 at 10:06 am to cadillac7563
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Alabama has sucked the fun out of college football
Good.
Posted on 1/23/21 at 10:27 am to Kansas City King
They actually beat Michigan State by 38
Posted on 1/23/21 at 10:30 am to dirty bastard
The problwm with college football is only 5 or 6 teams have a chance and you always know who they are.
There have usually only been 5 or 6 teams in a given year with a chance but they didn't use to be the same ones.
and you cannot consistently get 4 teams to have close games in the playoffs
There have usually only been 5 or 6 teams in a given year with a chance but they didn't use to be the same ones.
and you cannot consistently get 4 teams to have close games in the playoffs
Posted on 1/23/21 at 10:34 am to gthog61
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The problwm with college football is only 5 or 6 teams have a chance and you always know who they are.
There have usually only been 5 or 6 teams in a given year with a chance but they didn't use to be the same ones.
and you cannot consistently get 4 teams to have close games in the playoffs
The only way to fix that is to have each conference institute a recruit draft with order of selection in reverse of the previous season’s finish. So Vandy 2021 would get the first choice of SEC teams and Alabama would get the last choice.
Posted on 1/23/21 at 10:39 am to Fightin Okra
Re: Soccer background
I lettered in soccer in college in 1963-64 ( long story).
I played at college-club at high level until 1980, and played soccer on three continents and six countries on travels and assignments.
I reffed and coached youth in Alabama and Louisiana until 2009,
I coached Louisiana high school until 2014.
Soccer is a great game and all athletes get better playing it. In about 1977 I was in grad school at Alabama and 5-6 well known football players played with us every day all summer. Coach Bryant came to our practice field that fall and told me those “boys” had developed something special, balanced mobility... wanted to know what we did...
BUT... soccer beyond the youth game sucks. The blatant fouling, flopping, corruption makes the pro game unbearable. And now youth coaches are teaching this jersey tugging, tripping behind the ref, etc., all the way down to six year old leagues. It makes me sick to see it. They are teaching kids that the rules don’t apply if no one catches you.
Furthermore you wouldn’t believe how some youth players act on the field now, against refs, opposing teams, etc. They have learned this from the pros and from their coaches... and allowed, even encouraged, to do it by their parents.
Finally, soccer is a game played without interruption. It is not a game attuned to the reality of commercial TV... plus you cannot see the whole field on TV soccer, which means you miss a lot of what happens. I don’t think the game will ever be top draw in the US.
Both basketball and soccer are “flow” games... basically individuals within a team concept. That game concept is entirely different. I love baseball but free agency ruined the team loyalty and the introduction of pitching by committee slowed the game to an unbearable pace.
Football is the greatest game ever invented. It is the only game where everyone gets together and conspires what they are going to do next, and then 11 people with completely different roles and skills have to execute exactly in a split second.
No other game teaches sacrifice and discipline like football and i truly believe playing youth football has a positive life-long impact.
I have a lot of backup from dealing with youths for that statement.
Long winded essay but coaching BB, soccer, baseball is different... the star player must be pandered too. Football teaches a kid the importance of team and submitting to authority.. the coach. That makes the game unique.
I lettered in soccer in college in 1963-64 ( long story).
I played at college-club at high level until 1980, and played soccer on three continents and six countries on travels and assignments.
I reffed and coached youth in Alabama and Louisiana until 2009,
I coached Louisiana high school until 2014.
Soccer is a great game and all athletes get better playing it. In about 1977 I was in grad school at Alabama and 5-6 well known football players played with us every day all summer. Coach Bryant came to our practice field that fall and told me those “boys” had developed something special, balanced mobility... wanted to know what we did...
BUT... soccer beyond the youth game sucks. The blatant fouling, flopping, corruption makes the pro game unbearable. And now youth coaches are teaching this jersey tugging, tripping behind the ref, etc., all the way down to six year old leagues. It makes me sick to see it. They are teaching kids that the rules don’t apply if no one catches you.
Furthermore you wouldn’t believe how some youth players act on the field now, against refs, opposing teams, etc. They have learned this from the pros and from their coaches... and allowed, even encouraged, to do it by their parents.
Finally, soccer is a game played without interruption. It is not a game attuned to the reality of commercial TV... plus you cannot see the whole field on TV soccer, which means you miss a lot of what happens. I don’t think the game will ever be top draw in the US.
Both basketball and soccer are “flow” games... basically individuals within a team concept. That game concept is entirely different. I love baseball but free agency ruined the team loyalty and the introduction of pitching by committee slowed the game to an unbearable pace.
Football is the greatest game ever invented. It is the only game where everyone gets together and conspires what they are going to do next, and then 11 people with completely different roles and skills have to execute exactly in a split second.
No other game teaches sacrifice and discipline like football and i truly believe playing youth football has a positive life-long impact.
I have a lot of backup from dealing with youths for that statement.
Long winded essay but coaching BB, soccer, baseball is different... the star player must be pandered too. Football teaches a kid the importance of team and submitting to authority.. the coach. That makes the game unique.
This post was edited on 1/23/21 at 1:11 pm
Posted on 1/23/21 at 10:39 am to dirty bastard
When you go to an SEC campus and the only tents you see within 500’ on the stadium read CSC Event Staff that kind of tells you what’s going on. Money is now controlling everything so much that the semi serious football fan is turning off from the sport.
Posted on 1/23/21 at 10:41 am to UndercoverBryologist
That will never work because this is not the NFL. Teams have vastly different levels of facilities and popularity. The top recruit will simply not play hard for Vandy if he is forced to go there. He deserves to play with top notch facilities and coaches.
The answer is simple. The truth is only a handful of Universities have enough money and common sense to give full reigns to the head coach. Most universities have boosters that want to control what goes on and that just ruins the whole thing. If Saban wanted to hire a deaf pigeon as OC they would let him. Same thing with Clemson, Ohio State, etc.
These coaches know what they are doing and they have full control over everything and their assistants and coordinators know that too and they also comply. That is what works, and that is why these coaches have a monopoly now.
The answer is simple. The truth is only a handful of Universities have enough money and common sense to give full reigns to the head coach. Most universities have boosters that want to control what goes on and that just ruins the whole thing. If Saban wanted to hire a deaf pigeon as OC they would let him. Same thing with Clemson, Ohio State, etc.
These coaches know what they are doing and they have full control over everything and their assistants and coordinators know that too and they also comply. That is what works, and that is why these coaches have a monopoly now.
Posted on 1/23/21 at 10:44 am to plazadweller
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When you go to an SEC campus and the only tents you see within 500’ on the stadium read CSC Event Staff that kind of tells you what’s going on. Money is now controlling everything so much that the semi serious football fan is turning off from the sport.
You just described the world's biggest sellout. Cooperate America has no right running the show on gameday.
Posted on 1/23/21 at 10:47 am to Jacknola
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Long winded essay
I enjoyed reading it. Thanks
Posted on 1/23/21 at 10:55 am to Pastor Mike
There once was a farmer who was angry at the cost of feeding his mule. So, he began to mix a little sawdust in with the mule's grain to make it go further. When the mule ate everything as before, the farmer kept adding more and more sawdust to the mixture until there was very little grain. The mule licked up every bit of his food and fell over dead.
Greed killed the mule.
Greed killed the mule.
Posted on 1/23/21 at 11:30 am to gthog61
The problem with football is the PTB, for whatever reason, decided to legislate what makes the sport great and unique - violence - out of the game. They allowed the very people who televise and broadcast their product (mainly ESPN) to make player safety and concussions an issue. If Goodell had one lick of business sense he would have gotten on the phone with ESPN and the other networks and said, "If I hear so much as the word 'headache' on an NFL broadcast, that will be the last game you air." Instead, he let the networks convince Karen that little Kyler was sentenced to death if he played tackle football.
Now, the game is borderline unwatchable with QBs and WRs in plastic bubbles.
Now, the game is borderline unwatchable with QBs and WRs in plastic bubbles.
Posted on 1/23/21 at 11:32 am to dirty bastard
Posted this before in similar topic, but sports interest is on the decline at all levels from youth league to the pros due more to societal change and sports preferences.
In 2019, HS athletics had the lowest total participants since 2000 with football taking the biggest dip in numbers. Some of it is attributable to costs of football, concussion/injury concerns, and a trend away from multi-sport athletes and toward focus on singular sports played year round in HS or travel leagues. Plus, kids simply prefer indoors and playing on phones or video games to a large degree today as well.
Then, fan push back against social movements and politics bleeding into sports, coupled with a growing lack of humility, selflessness and "role model" worthy players to connect with and pull for beyond the team has severely hurt pro sports and moved heavily into college sports. The growing sense of player entitlement in the collegiate ranks is simply turning people away.
2020 and all of its anomalies and asterisks had its own impact on the CFB season. But, this shift has been a longtime in the making for a variety of reasons across all sports.
The societal changes are what they are, but for CFB, attracting and retaining more fan interest is key. That said, Bama, Clemson and others aren't killing the sport. That is ridiculous. There have always been a handful of elite teams that truly compose the real contenders each year.
The narrative of more teams in a playoff will make it better is equally ridiculous. FBS is simply too large. It needs to be capped between 70-80 teams in the P5 conferences. Reduce bowls significantly to make the post-season meaningful again and avoid over-saturating the mkt which hurts viewership. Then, reduce scholarships and roster limits to ensure elite talent begins to more evenly filter out to other teams. But, even with the above, nothing will change over time as a handful of programs corner the mkt with management, efficiencies, and other areas of competitive advantage to put us back in the same situation under different circumstances.
In 2019, HS athletics had the lowest total participants since 2000 with football taking the biggest dip in numbers. Some of it is attributable to costs of football, concussion/injury concerns, and a trend away from multi-sport athletes and toward focus on singular sports played year round in HS or travel leagues. Plus, kids simply prefer indoors and playing on phones or video games to a large degree today as well.
Then, fan push back against social movements and politics bleeding into sports, coupled with a growing lack of humility, selflessness and "role model" worthy players to connect with and pull for beyond the team has severely hurt pro sports and moved heavily into college sports. The growing sense of player entitlement in the collegiate ranks is simply turning people away.
2020 and all of its anomalies and asterisks had its own impact on the CFB season. But, this shift has been a longtime in the making for a variety of reasons across all sports.
The societal changes are what they are, but for CFB, attracting and retaining more fan interest is key. That said, Bama, Clemson and others aren't killing the sport. That is ridiculous. There have always been a handful of elite teams that truly compose the real contenders each year.
The narrative of more teams in a playoff will make it better is equally ridiculous. FBS is simply too large. It needs to be capped between 70-80 teams in the P5 conferences. Reduce bowls significantly to make the post-season meaningful again and avoid over-saturating the mkt which hurts viewership. Then, reduce scholarships and roster limits to ensure elite talent begins to more evenly filter out to other teams. But, even with the above, nothing will change over time as a handful of programs corner the mkt with management, efficiencies, and other areas of competitive advantage to put us back in the same situation under different circumstances.
Posted on 1/23/21 at 12:01 pm to Kansas City King
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CFB is in big trouble. Alabama, Clemson, and Ohio State got to stop sucking up all the talented and good coaches. They have created a monopoly, especially Bama. If they continue to show up in the playoff and win it year after year, CFB will die faster and faster. Why watch when the only thing that matters is the CFB playoff and it's a repeat of the same story/scenario as last year or even a couple years ago? Also, the games in the CFB itself suck arse. All we get are blowouts. The gap is so epic between Alabama and say a solid program like Michigan State or USC(west), which used to be considered elite programs. After Alabama beat that really good Michigan State team 3 or 4 years ago in the CFB semi-final by 28 points, they never recovered from that. Alabama is just so goddamm stacked every year, they are killing CFB programs.
I did this on another site to list out each “new” champion by decade starting in 1950 (a convenient cutoff for post-WWII college attendance boom). Essentially the variety in champions diminishing tracks back to the beginning of the BCS era in 1998. The polls allowed for teams to get rewarded for a great year that would’ve been “exposed” if they had to go lock horns with another top team in the playoffs. Notre Dame has went undefeated in the regular season 3 times in the last 10 years and in the old days that would’ve essentially locked them in for at least one of the major poll’s final #1 ranking.
The reality is that about 15-20 teams have a realistic chance of ever winning a national title and the variety of unique champions in any given decade since the 1950s is not substantially better than what we saw in the 2010s. If it was ever better it was because the polls allowed for participation trophy titles that were never decided on the field.
tldr: The sport has done a better job of identifying the actual top teams and started allowing it to be decided on the field instead of by the reckons of coaches and journalists.
This post was edited on 1/23/21 at 12:04 pm
Posted on 1/23/21 at 1:05 pm to dirty bastard
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the racist/political overtones of the athletes
Really?
Posted on 1/23/21 at 1:07 pm to BrotherDawg84
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the National Anthem kneeling
Here we go again.
Posted on 1/23/21 at 1:15 pm to cadillac7563
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Alabama has sucked the fun out of college football
Speak for yourself, I'm enjoying BAMA's success quite immensely
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