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re: The BUZZ on Coker
Posted on 6/29/14 at 10:32 am to Irons Puppet
Posted on 6/29/14 at 10:32 am to Irons Puppet
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All those three and four star recruits on the OL were going mainly against three star recruits. So it you just base everything on stars (most bammers do), then the OL should still look better then their opponent.
I still think Cristobal inherited a less than ideal situation on the offensive line. We did not recruit well enough after the 2010 class at that position. That amazing 2012 OL was made up of guys from the 2008 and 2009 classes. There was substantial fall off in terms of talent. But the last two classes make the next few years very promising along the offensive line. I liked Pendry and Stoutland, but they were below average recruiters.
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Posted on 6/29/14 at 11:54 am to Irons Puppet
I call bullshite on your claim coaches aren't happy with development of QBs. They are excited about Coker, they like Bateman, and they love what they've seen so far from the injured Cornwell.
Posted on 6/29/14 at 12:08 pm to Irons Puppet
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How did the star studded QBs look this spring ?
I thought that Bateman looked good throwing to a walk on behind our second string line that couldn't block a bunch of school girls. In fact I'd go so far as to say we'd win at least ten games with Bateman under center.
Posted on 6/29/14 at 12:45 pm to chattabama
Bateman showed flashes of potential and Corns highlight tape is impressive. Again it gets brought up here over and over but no sensible Alabama fan is anointing Coker as the best thing since sliced bread. We have confidence he will be able to step in and properly run our offense. Aubies and LSU fans don't think he will. No one knows shite till toe meets leather.
Posted on 6/29/14 at 12:53 pm to BlackCloud
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So your"e having trouble understanding why the #1 RB recruit in last years class is getting more hype than a former 3* QB from Al. who has been riding the bench at FSU?
Oh he was the best player in high school so that must mean he's guaranteed to be a star in college.
That's akin to people saying the best college team can hang with the worst pro team.
Also, how many crayons is necessary for me to illustrate to you the idea that over time, a player can get better. People keep bringing up Coker's high school rating, as if not only is improvement impossible throughout one's career, but also that the scheme one is running has nothing to do with one's recruitment.
And finally, yes he rode the bench. Behind a 1st round draft pick and a heisman trophy winner (and likely future first rounder). Didn't your best RB have to transfer from Alabama because he couldn't even sniff the field in the rotation lol
Posted on 6/29/14 at 1:44 pm to Patton
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Bateman showed flashes of potential and Corns highlight tape is impressive. Again it gets brought up here over and over but no sensible Alabama fan is anointing Coker as the best thing since sliced bread. We have confidence he will be able to step in and properly run our offense. Aubies and LSU fans don't think he will. No one knows shite till toe meets leather.
Did you read the first post? Dudes being mentioned in pre-season heisman lists
Lots of it is Bama fans trolling though.
Posted on 6/29/14 at 2:01 pm to nb200016
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Didn't your best RB have to transfer from Alabama because he couldn't even sniff the field in the rotation lol
Cameron Artis-Payne? No. CAP will more than likely be our starting all-purpose back, although I wouldn't say he is our 'best' RB.
Posted on 6/29/14 at 2:08 pm to DuncanIdaho
You know exactly who he's talking about, don't play dumb
Posted on 6/29/14 at 2:10 pm to KiffinsVisor
He means Corey Grant. He's dumb for assuming he's our best RB. Grant never fit the mold for Bama RBs and made a mistake committing there in the first place.
Posted on 6/29/14 at 2:13 pm to 14&Counting
Posted on 6/29/14 at 2:22 pm to redgreen
Coker vs Wake Forest
4-9 37 yards 0 TDS
-24 rushing yards
Vs NC State
4-8 50 yards 0 TD 1 INT
7 rushing yards
vs BETHUNE COOKHAM!!!!
3-6 78 yards 0 TD
-4 yards rushing
The only game he completed over 50% was his clutch 2-2 effort vs Pitt to help concrete his teams 41-13 win
For the 2013 season he was 18-36 250 yards no TD 1 INT
To put that in perspective AU's backup was 29-41 with 422 yards and 6 TDs to 2 INT
He was also more highly rated from high school.
4-9 37 yards 0 TDS
-24 rushing yards
Vs NC State
4-8 50 yards 0 TD 1 INT
7 rushing yards
vs BETHUNE COOKHAM!!!!
3-6 78 yards 0 TD
-4 yards rushing
The only game he completed over 50% was his clutch 2-2 effort vs Pitt to help concrete his teams 41-13 win
For the 2013 season he was 18-36 250 yards no TD 1 INT
To put that in perspective AU's backup was 29-41 with 422 yards and 6 TDs to 2 INT
He was also more highly rated from high school.
Posted on 6/29/14 at 2:33 pm to antibarner
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I use Fournette and Duke Williams to point out the hypocrisy of those that hammer Coker for inexperience, yet do not apply the same standards to their own teams.
I didn't hammer him for inexperience. He could dominate, but you have OL problems too. What I'm confused at is that he is listed as a preseason 5th and a heisman contender, when he has neither won the job, thrown many passes, or even highly touted coming out of high school. Playing running back and quarterback are two drastically different things.
In no particular order and if you are not being biased, the letit QBs ahead of Coker, should be
Wallace (yes he has improved from year one to two)
Marshall (first true offseason with team)
Dak (brings back every WR and averaged 270 total yards in SEC play)
Mauk (kid is legit, after the WRs get a couple games under their belts, look out)
Mason (has learned the system for four years and plays almost identical to Murray)
Thompson (most experienced backup QB who has a big arm and has a few big wins under his belt already)
Sumlin's QB (with that offense, doesn't matter who they trot out)
After that, it gets muddy. He could be anywhere from 8th-10th, and even McCarron wasn't worthy of anything near a heisman last year.
Every guy in that top 7 will have at least 3000 total yards and at least 5 of them will be pushing 30+ TDs.
Posted on 6/29/14 at 3:31 pm to Datbayoubengal
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but you have OL problems too.
Do we?
Posted on 6/29/14 at 3:34 pm to Skyler97
Nobody isn't saying his garbage time stats were impressive. Our offensive 2s and 3s were a significant drop off from our starters last season, especially on the OL. In other words, he didn't have much to work with at all.
I've seen what he's capable of against quality competition when given quality weapons. Fundamentally he's a stud, and given what he has at Bama he's a legitimate threat to defenses.
The funny thing is, he doesn't have to put up heisman stats for Bama to be successful. They don't require that kind of production of their QB to win. They don't need him to live up to all the hype, they just need him to be decent. All their opponents need him to be a flop. The odds are with Bama on this one.
I've seen what he's capable of against quality competition when given quality weapons. Fundamentally he's a stud, and given what he has at Bama he's a legitimate threat to defenses.
The funny thing is, he doesn't have to put up heisman stats for Bama to be successful. They don't require that kind of production of their QB to win. They don't need him to live up to all the hype, they just need him to be decent. All their opponents need him to be a flop. The odds are with Bama on this one.
Posted on 6/29/14 at 3:56 pm to nb200016
Greg McElroy in 2008 and A.J. McCarron in 2010 had less than stellar statistics in their mop up duty. Yet somehow Alabama won titles in 2009 and 2011. Is Alabama likely to do that in 2014? I don't think so, but it is still a team that can win the SEC with average QB play. If Coker is better than average, then more could be had. But I won't expect that until 2015.
Posted on 6/29/14 at 4:03 pm to CapstoneGrad06
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Greg McElroy in 2008 and A.J. McCarron in 2010 had less than stellar statistics in their mop up duty. Yet somehow Alabama won titles in 2009 and 2011
What did their offensive lines look like?
Posted on 6/29/14 at 4:05 pm to CapstoneGrad06
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McElroy threw for 61%, 2,508 yards, 17 TD/4 INT his first year.
AJ threw for 67%, 2,634 yards, 16 TD/5 INT his first year.
I would be very surprised if Coker had better passing stats than AJ did as a first year starter.
Posted on 6/29/14 at 4:52 pm to bmy
Would you really?
Posted on 6/29/14 at 4:53 pm to bmy
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I would be very surprised if Coker had better passing stats than AJ did as a first year starter.
No way that is happening..
Posted on 6/29/14 at 4:59 pm to TigerBait2008
Not a shot in hell. The numbers AJ put up were astronomical.
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