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re: The BUZZ on Coker
Posted on 6/28/14 at 10:03 pm to thatdude1985
Posted on 6/28/14 at 10:03 pm to thatdude1985
quote:I have never said that. I think he is overrated for his hype so far. I watched his highlights and no one he played looked impressive enough to deem him great yet. He looked good but not the type of player that is going to make up for all they lost like some claim.
but LSU's super freshman RB is totally proven and deserves all the hype right?
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Posted on 6/28/14 at 10:05 pm to Rabern57
Well if you was the purple kind of tiger you would be like....."GREATEST frickING RB SINCE THE LAST GREATEST frickING RB".
Posted on 6/28/14 at 10:06 pm to thatdude1985
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but LSU's super freshman RB is totally proven and deserves all the hype right? I mean he was running all over HS kids last year.....THAT'S GOTTA MEAN SOMETHING RIGHT?
I know of two unproven Alabama players who have actually played snaps at the collegiate level but you know...THEY PLAY FOR ALABAMA AND ALL so they must have playstation stats before they're any good.
Bama fans are the only ones bringing up Buga. It's just comics now. 
Posted on 6/28/14 at 10:08 pm to LSUdm21
It just proves the hypocrisy of those downing Coker while praising a high school kid to the heavens.
Posted on 6/28/14 at 10:09 pm to LSUdm21
Who is Buga and you know that's not true. I seriously don't even know who he is but I know you guys really like him and think he's already one of the best RB's in the SEC. DON'T EVEN LIE BRUH.
Posted on 6/28/14 at 10:25 pm to thatdude1985
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but LSU's super freshman RB is totally proven and deserves all the hype right?
So your"e having trouble understanding why the #1 RB recruit in last years class is getting more hype than a former 3* QB from Al. who has been riding the bench at FSU?
And you wonder why we call you gumps.
Posted on 6/28/14 at 10:25 pm to T Rey WI
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I doubt it will matter one bit how good Coker is until mid season. If he starts and his jersey stays clean then he will have a chance to put up good numbers. How good Alabama's season turns out to be will be determined by how well the O-line comes together.
1 WVU
2 Florida Atlantic
3 Southern Miss
4 Florida
5 Ole Miss
6 Arkansas
7 Texas A&M
8 Tennessee
9 LSU
If Florida doesn't get its offense going, I don't think it will matter until game 9 with LSU. If I was a Bama fan the Oline would be my second biggest worry (QB 1st). Breaking in a new QB with a bad OLine is a bad combination. Especially if they start having problems opening holes for the RBs while your QB is struggling. Bama should still handle all the other teams (except maybe UF) before that just on talent advantage alone.
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Posted on 6/28/14 at 10:55 pm to antibarner
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It just proves the hypocrisy of those downing Coker while praising a high school kid to the heavens.
Except there isn't a constant cry for attention from LSU fans on a fricking daily basis trying to prove he's tGOAT. It's been daily with some of your fellow fans.
Posted on 6/28/14 at 10:56 pm to thatdude1985
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Who is Buga and you know that's not true. I seriously don't even know who he is but I know you guys really like him and think he's already one of the best RB's in the SEC. DON'T EVEN LIE BRUH.
You know who he is.
Posted on 6/28/14 at 10:59 pm to LSUdm21
I haven't said Coker is the GOAT. I sure hope he turns out that way but no way of knowing til he gets out there.
Posted on 6/28/14 at 11:01 pm to Irons Puppet
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There is a difference between being highly ranked and producing on the college level. Cody Burns and Frazier were top 5 QBs out of HS. I heard one of the Bama Beat Writers on the radio this week talking about the emphasis on recruiting a QB, because the staff was not confident in either Cornwell or Bateman in the future.
Just wanted to drop by and call this statement absolute bull shite. Saban recruits a quarterback every year. Last year we got a pretty good pro-style quarterback and this year we will sign one of the best dual threat quarterbacks in the country. Guess what? We will also sign a quarterback in 2016, one in 2017, and another in 2018. Saban gets the best quarterback who is available for Bama every year. It has nothing to do with not feeling comfortable with the quarterbacks of the future and everything to do with being prepared. What if Cornwell doesn't recover well from the ACL injury? What if Bateman tranfers? What if _____? If there is something Saban can prepare for, he will.
I think Saban did go after Coker because he thinks Bateman is not ready yet, or he wants to provide some competition for Bateman. That is not to say that Bateman won't be ready to start his RSJr year.
Rabbit trail to our o-line. First, 2012 had so much more raw talent than 2013. Pendry and Stoutland were fantastic coaches, but very meh recruiters.
Copied and pasted from the Bama board: This is what Cristobal walked in to.
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2010
Austin Shepherd - 3 Star. Up and down career
Chad Lindsey - 3 Star. Played well
Arie Kouandjio - 4 Star. Played well when finally healthy
2011
Aaron Douglas - 4 star. Sadly died soon after signing with us
Ryan Kelly - 3 star. Big drop off from Vlachos and Barrett.
Issac Luatua - 3 star. No impact
Cyrus Kouandjio - 5 star. Despite his brother connection almost was Auburn's left tackle the past few years.
2012
Brandon Greene - 4 Star. Now a blocking TE
Brandon Hill - 3 Star. No impact so far.
Caleb Gulledge - 3 Star. Plays at JSU now
2013
Leon Brown - 3 Star. Played well tonight (Sugar Bowl). First real playing time
Brandon Hill - 3 Star. Resign out of prep school
Grant Hill - 4 Star. Local kid that started as a sleeper and then exploded. Has a great future ahead
Not counting Mazza. Been a surprisingly good LS but not an OL
Whether or not Cristobal can coach his way out of a paper bag remains to be seen, but to say that he had the same level of talent to work with as his predecessors is asinine.
This year will tell a lot about Cristobal IMO.
Posted on 6/28/14 at 11:03 pm to antibarner
Let's see if you can say Fournette's name less than 20 times between now and September.
Posted on 6/28/14 at 11:11 pm to LSUdm21
That is easy,if you can say Coker's 50.
Posted on 6/28/14 at 11:14 pm to antibarner
Easy enough, I've that kid's name maybe twice since he and Bama were mentioned together. You've mentioned Buga like 4 times in this thread alone.
Posted on 6/28/14 at 11:20 pm to chattabama
Its not about who you sign. Its about how well you coach them up. If Cornwell, Bateman, Sims, Sims, etc haven't developed its coaching. Just like everyone claims it was luck Auburn came across Cam, it could just as likely be luck that Saban came across AJ. Since he is the only QB he picked and recruited and was coached sole under him that has turned out decent.
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Posted on 6/28/14 at 11:41 pm to Rabern57
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Its not about who you sign. Its about how well you coach them up. If Cornwell, Bateman, Sims, Sims, etc haven't developed its coaching. Just like everyone claims it was luck Auburn came across Cam, it could just as likely be luck that Saban came across AJ. Since he is the only QB he picked and recruited and was coached sole under him that has turned out decent
True, but unlike Auburn and a lot of other programs, Alabama's quarterback situation has been stable. We haven't needed to develop as many quarterbacks as other programs.
We had JPW for two of Saban's coaching years. Whether or not JPW was fully developed is up for debate, but he did set a lot of records at Alabama, and he led the team to an 11-2 record as a senior. I would call that one a success. Sure, nobody is beating down the doors to sign him, but in the modern era few college quarterbacks really make an impact on the league. Besides, Saban's main job is to win games with his team. Did JPW win games? Yes, especially in his senior year.
Now we are on to McElroy. Again, not an impact player in the NFL, but we are talking college football. McElroy was very successful at Alabama. No, he was not a world beater, but the staff developed him enough for him to fulfill his role at Alabama.
Finally we are on to AJ. AJ was wildly successful as a quarterback at Alabama. Again, not a can't miss NFL prospect, but developed enough to do his job well. AJ is seen as the GOAT in the eyes of Alabama fans because, well, he was. He holds most of the passing records, two national championships, one of the highest win percentages, and he was drafted.
Based on the quarterbacks above, I'd say that Saban has developed three quarterbacks to sufficiently run his system and win games. That is the bottom line in college football.
No, we don't have a quarterback that is developed this year, but shite happens. Recruiting misses happen (fricking Winston)
. Transfers happen. Misevaluations happen. Nobody is perfect. Not even Gus had a quarterback that was fully ready to take the reigns in 2011. 
Posted on 6/28/14 at 11:54 pm to LSUdm21
Yeah but one thing is Coker will be the starter in the first game and Bugs will be 3rd string in the first game probably.
Saban won a championship with Greg McElroy, Coker doesn't need to be John Elway, he just needs to be able to make some throws at some key times and hand the ball off to the best runningback trio in college football a lot.
Saban won a championship with Greg McElroy, Coker doesn't need to be John Elway, he just needs to be able to make some throws at some key times and hand the ball off to the best runningback trio in college football a lot.
Posted on 6/29/14 at 8:29 am to Othello
The thing with Coker is that he has proved absolutely NOTHING on the college level. The difference between Coker and the AU guys is that even though it was on a JUCO level, it was college and it translated over to the SEC.
You can't say the same with Coker right now...
You can't say the same with Coker right now...
Posted on 6/29/14 at 10:23 am to chattabama
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There is a difference between being highly ranked and producing on the college level. Cody Burns and Frazier were top 5 QBs out of HS. I heard one of the Bama Beat Writers on the radio this week talking about the emphasis on recruiting a QB, because the staff was not confident in either Cornwell or Bateman in the future.
Just wanted to drop by and call this statement absolute bull shite. Saban recruits a quarterback every year. Last year we got a pretty good pro-style quarterback and this year we will sign one of the best dual threat quarterbacks in the country. Guess what? We will also sign a quarterback in 2016, one in 2017, and another in 2018. Saban gets the best quarterback who is available for Bama every year. It has nothing to do with not feeling comfortable with the quarterbacks of the future and everything to do with being prepared. What if Cornwell doesn't recover well from the ACL injury? What if Bateman tranfers? What if _____? If there is something Saban can prepare for, he will.
I think Saban did go after Coker because he thinks Bateman is not ready yet, or he wants to provide some competition for Bateman. That is not to say that Bateman won't be ready to start his RSJr year.
Rabbit trail to our o-line. First, 2012 had so much more raw talent than 2013. Pendry and Stoutland were fantastic coaches, but very meh recruiters.
Copied and pasted from the Bama board: This is what Cristobal walked in to.
quote:
2010
Austin Shepherd - 3 Star. Up and down career
Chad Lindsey - 3 Star. Played well
Arie Kouandjio - 4 Star. Played well when finally healthy
2011
Aaron Douglas - 4 star. Sadly died soon after signing with us
Ryan Kelly - 3 star. Big drop off from Vlachos and Barrett.
Issac Luatua - 3 star. No impact
Cyrus Kouandjio - 5 star. Despite his brother connection almost was Auburn's left tackle the past few years.
2012
Brandon Greene - 4 Star. Now a blocking TE
Brandon Hill - 3 Star. No impact so far.
Caleb Gulledge - 3 Star. Plays at JSU now
2013
Leon Brown - 3 Star. Played well tonight (Sugar Bowl). First real playing time
Brandon Hill - 3 Star. Resign out of prep school
Grant Hill - 4 Star. Local kid that started as a sleeper and then exploded. Has a great future ahead
Not counting Mazza. Been a surprisingly good LS but not an OL
Whether or not Cristobal can coach his way out of a paper bag remains to be seen, but to say that he had the same level of talent to work with as his predecessors is asinine.
Call it what you want, but that is what the writer said. Just because they signed a QB with stars, doesn't mean they produce or are happy with their development. How did the star studded QBs look this spring ? Of course you want to sign a QB every year, but some years you have to put a priority on that position. If you miss on it a few years in a row the program is in trouble. AJ was a great insurance policy for Sabans problems at developing QBs.
All those three and four star recruits on the OL were going mainly against three star recruits. So it you just base everything on stars (most bammers do), then the OL should still look better then their opponent.
Posted on 6/29/14 at 10:28 am to Irons Puppet
Cooper Bateman looked solid this spring, but has a ways to go in his development. We didn't see much of David Cornwell. He was still recovering from knee surgery.
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