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Posted on 1/7/19 at 10:22 am to Giant Leaf
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In the same number of games that Notre Dame played Ohio State was also undefeated with 50 points more over common opponents and a conference title
Why do you get to pick which 12 games to use for OSU? Why not, you know, remove the game Notre Dame doesn’t have, a conference championship game?
Posted on 1/7/19 at 10:23 am to VermilionTiger
You're right. It's silly to compare teams by how they perform on the field.
Posted on 1/7/19 at 10:24 am to thatthang
Some changes are needed...
1) Force NDame to join a conference or be excluded
2) Give greater credibility to a 9 game conference schedule, only the SEC and ACC play 8 games
3) Allow only one game against non-power 5 or lower teams
1) Force NDame to join a conference or be excluded
2) Give greater credibility to a 9 game conference schedule, only the SEC and ACC play 8 games
3) Allow only one game against non-power 5 or lower teams
Posted on 1/7/19 at 10:24 am to TeddyWestside
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You're right. It's silly to compare teams by how they perform on the field.
The transitive property does not work in sports
Posted on 1/7/19 at 10:26 am to allin2010
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Some changes are needed...
1) Force NDame to join a conference or be excluded
2) Give greater credibility to a 9 game conference schedule, only the SEC and ACC play 8 games
3) Allow only one game against non-power 5 or lower teams
I dont disagree with any of this. ND normally plays a pretty tough schedule.
Michigan, USC, Stanford, then 4 ACC teams, depending on the rotation.
Teams should definitely be penalized for playing FCS teams. the ACC and SEC need to go to a 9 game schedule.
Posted on 1/7/19 at 10:26 am to CGSC Lobotomy
The argument of Ohio State over Notre Dame is moot. This year you did not need 4 teams as just 2 sufficed. Notre Dame should have lost at home to Vanderbilt so they were suspect early. They did finish undefeated with a schedule that should have been better but SC, FSU, and UL were all down.
Posted on 1/7/19 at 10:26 am to VermilionTiger
Or maybe the PAC 12, Big 12 and Big Ten teams should have better conference opponents.
Posted on 1/7/19 at 10:27 am to CGSC Lobotomy
And? Just another example that regular season should matter. This isn't about a single team in a specific year. Win your division. Win your conference. Elementary stuff. Who cares if it took you two months to become "good". You sucked in September. That should count.
Posted on 1/7/19 at 10:27 am to Cheese Grits
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The argument of Ohio State over Notre Dame is moot. This year you did not need 4 teams as just 2 sufficed. Notre Dame should have lost at home to Vanderbilt so they were suspect early. They did finish undefeated with a schedule that should have been better but SC, FSU, and UL were all down.
It's not about 2018. It's about the floating/moving criteria that the CFP puts out
They are not consistent and criteria needs to be set. The human factor is a complete joke
Posted on 1/7/19 at 10:27 am to lsufball19
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Why do you get to pick which 12 games to use for OSU? Why not, you know, remove the game Notre Dame doesn’t have, a conference championship game?
Ohio State would have gotten in over Notre Dame if Notre Dame loses that conference title game to Clemson.
Notre Dame can't miss a game like that and claim even standing.
With only 12 games played by Notre Dame only taking the best 12 of another team is more than fair
This post was edited on 1/7/19 at 10:28 am
Posted on 1/7/19 at 10:28 am to VermilionTiger
I keep saying it over and over... there is a reason we don’t have these same arguments with the nfl. They know what needs to be done to get in. Anytime people pick teams, it will be wrong.
Posted on 1/7/19 at 10:29 am to CU_Tigers4life
Interesting that it's always Jim Delaney bringing this up.
His conference has 2 football titles and 1 basketball title over the last 20 years.
His conference has 2 football titles and 1 basketball title over the last 20 years.
Posted on 1/7/19 at 10:32 am to VermilionTiger
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SEC need to go to a 9 game schedule.
I personally would like to see the SEC play 9 conference games for selfish reasons. However, until the other conferences are as competitive as the SEC this argument does not apply imo. The other conferences don't play nearly as difficult a conference schedule as SEC schools. The coaching, athletes, money invested in the sport - literally everything is better in the SEC than the other conferences. There's no reason for the SEC to change formats until the other conferences are ready to compete.
Posted on 1/7/19 at 10:34 am to VermilionTiger
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Alabama will always have the eye test advantage because of inherent bias
You believe Alabama looks like the best team because of bias?
Posted on 1/7/19 at 10:34 am to VermilionTiger
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two teams from the same conference do not belong in a 4 team playoff.
If Bama had beaten LSU in OT in the 2011 regular season, LSU wouldn’t have deserved to make the 4 team playoff?
Posted on 1/7/19 at 10:35 am to VermilionTiger
That's why I specified that I don't actually think that Auburn is really 77 points better than Ohio State. My point was that Ohio State got the obliterated by a team that looked, when Auburn played them, like they didn't even belong on the field with a totally average SEC team. I recognize the shortcomings of transitive property, but it also isn't meaningless. What does it say about Ohio State that they lost by four touchdowns to a team that wasn't even physically capable of stopping Auburn from scoring when they wanted to score?
Posted on 1/7/19 at 10:35 am to CU_Tigers4life
This isn't new, and Delaney is right to ask for clarification from the committee who can't get four teams right.
Posted on 1/7/19 at 10:36 am to VermilionTiger
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At some point, results on the field need to matter. You can't non objectively say that one team deserves to get in over another if they haven't squared off 1 on 1. Conference championships have to matter.
Your argument is reading "Only certain results on the field need to matter." You want to take one or two games and say those are the ones that matter. To hell with the entire rest of the season -- if you don't beat Team A or play in Game B, all the other data points are meaningless. Trying to couch it in broad terms sounds reasonable until your qualifying conditions undermine that.
Posted on 1/7/19 at 10:37 am to Jon Ham
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If Bama had beaten LSU in OT in the 2011 regular season, LSU wouldn’t have deserved to make the 4 team playoff?
Sure, they'd deserve it. Do they deserve it more than another team who did win their conference?
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