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re: The best running back in the last 20 years
Posted on 7/7/23 at 8:18 pm to meansonny
Posted on 7/7/23 at 8:18 pm to meansonny
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Don't spend your time on film. I don't have a problem with that. But don't dispute my opinion without bringing any film to back it up. You can ignore me if you don't think I'm worth it. Or you can balls up and prove a point (if you have a legitimate one).
Look it’s cute you keep calling it film but you aren’t a coach - and watching YouTube highlights doesn’t make you an expert on anything. Watch the plays that ARENT highlights to really know what a player brings to the table. Watch Mcfaddens 325 Carries before you tell me he doesn’t break tackles bc you watched a 10 minute highlight film a 14 year old made in 2008.
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They both are all purpose backs. Bush highlights often show him hitting the edge, beating his defender untouched, and getting upfield for huge gains. When I say they have similar skillsets, it is their running styles.
The literal definition of all purpose back is utilized in all purpose yards. McFadden wasn’t utilized like Bush was in the passing game - mostly bc Arkansas and USC’s offense weren’t similar. One had a Heisman QB and the other had a QB who threw more Ints than TDs.
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Their highlights are the same?
The problem lies right here. Watch games - not just highlights. A 7 year old can watch highlights and describe it. Again, it’s adorable you call it film but it’s not. It’s a YouTube video and it unfortunately doesn’t tell the whole story.
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Posted on 7/7/23 at 8:28 pm to Dawgfanman
quote:Chubb was the better nfl back no doubt. He was not better in college. He played on a much better team but Dmac was different
He’s got more yards in the NFL and more yards per carry in the NFL
Posted on 7/7/23 at 8:54 pm to Hawgnsincebirth55
McFadden was an unreal player. I'm not making comparisons, but I think Bo/Herschel/Cam/Tebow are on everyone's list of the most dynamic SEC stars that commanded your attention and could absolutely change games by themselves. Honorable mention to Manziel. And I think McFadden is close to that rarified air.
And for the natives, I'm not slighting Burrow, he's just on a different elite list.
And for the natives, I'm not slighting Burrow, he's just on a different elite list.
Posted on 7/7/23 at 9:03 pm to Hawgnsincebirth55
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Chubb was the better nfl back no doubt. He was not better in college. He played on a much better team but Dmac was different
Chubb is 100% a better NFL back but that has nothing to do with this discussion. Mcfadden was easily the better back in college — and an argument can’t really be made either bc Chubb was on such a better team as well so it’s almost impossible to compare. As are most comparisons.
Posted on 7/7/23 at 9:11 pm to captdalton
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Derrick Henry
He isn’t there yet with only 8,335 career rushing yards. But if he can just stay healthy and plays 3 to 4 more years he almost certainly will have over 12,000 yards and make it.
I wasn't saying that if Henry's career ended today he'd be a NFL Hall of Famer, but I'm assuming he has at least a couple more elite seasons in him. He's also one of the select few NFL RBs to go over 2000 yards in a season... multiple rushing titles... he's very, very close to solidifying Canton.
He'll be in both Hall of Fames...none of these other guys can say that. Heck, neither Herschel nor Bo can say that. People can argue all they want... Henry can be argued as the best RB ever in the SEC... although I know people just automatically default to Herschel/Bo...the case can be made.
Posted on 7/7/23 at 9:13 pm to hawgfaninc
I usually rank McFadden as third behind Walker and Bo as the all time best SEC RB’s.
After all this is the SEC Rant.
Two State RB’s that get underrated because our teams were not good were Jerious Norwood and Anthony Dixon. Both were great RB’s on bad teams. Dixon rushed for almost 4,000 yards in his career and is still in the top ten in the SEC. He was a tough physical RB who was a load to tackle.
Norwood was fast and strong. Rushed for over 3,200 yards in his career. In 2005, had 191 carries for the season with zero fumbles.
After all this is the SEC Rant.
Two State RB’s that get underrated because our teams were not good were Jerious Norwood and Anthony Dixon. Both were great RB’s on bad teams. Dixon rushed for almost 4,000 yards in his career and is still in the top ten in the SEC. He was a tough physical RB who was a load to tackle.
Norwood was fast and strong. Rushed for over 3,200 yards in his career. In 2005, had 191 carries for the season with zero fumbles.
Posted on 7/7/23 at 9:16 pm to FireDanMullen
McFadden only played one healthy season.
Posted on 7/7/23 at 9:20 pm to FireDanMullen
As I said, I didn't watch but 3 or 4 games live with mcfadden. And that was about 15 years ago.
I have a solid impression from there.
Everything else is filled in from highlight reels.
I watched about 45 games with chubb. It shouldn't be a shock that I'm more familiar.
Who do you think had more yards before contact?
McFadden or chubb?
Who do you think had more yards after contact?
McFadden or chubb?
They aren't comparable.
How would this play out in the NFL?
McFadden didn't have the NFL career I expected.
But everyone expected him to explode through holes untouched like college.
I have a solid impression from there.
Everything else is filled in from highlight reels.
I watched about 45 games with chubb. It shouldn't be a shock that I'm more familiar.
Who do you think had more yards before contact?
McFadden or chubb?
Who do you think had more yards after contact?
McFadden or chubb?
They aren't comparable.
How would this play out in the NFL?
McFadden didn't have the NFL career I expected.
But everyone expected him to explode through holes untouched like college.
Posted on 7/7/23 at 9:26 pm to Chad4Bama
I’m not going to get into who’s better or worse etc.
Nick Chubb is 2nd all time in the SEC in rushing behind HW. He’s getting in the CFB hall of fame.
He’s also on a current pace to outrush Henry in the NFL, with a higher YPC average. I’m not sure how you’d definitively say he’s not.
Nick Chubb is 2nd all time in the SEC in rushing behind HW. He’s getting in the CFB hall of fame.
He’s also on a current pace to outrush Henry in the NFL, with a higher YPC average. I’m not sure how you’d definitively say he’s not.
Posted on 7/7/23 at 9:26 pm to Darindawg
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If my life is depending on it, I'm going with Chubb.
Well rest in peace then
Posted on 7/7/23 at 10:55 pm to hawgfaninc
He was a great college back, but at some point you have to factor in the bust he was in the NFL. For him to fail so badly in the NFL you have to wonder how much Houston Nutt’s scheme and great run blocking OL factored in to how dominant he appeared. Guys like Adrian Peterson and Derrick Henry dominated at both levels.
If I had an average OL and needed a HB to create his own yardage on a long 4th quarter drive, Im taking Derrick Henry all day. McFadden was elite at accelerating into a large hole, but he also ran very upright with a tall frame that couldn’t seem to get leverage.
If I had an average OL and needed a HB to create his own yardage on a long 4th quarter drive, Im taking Derrick Henry all day. McFadden was elite at accelerating into a large hole, but he also ran very upright with a tall frame that couldn’t seem to get leverage.
Posted on 7/7/23 at 11:07 pm to MillerLiteTime
Call me crazy because I am. If Judkins simply replicates his stats for the next two years then he will end up 3rd all time in yards and tied for 3rd in tds. Just replicating. Watch his game and you’ll see more Nick Chubb than any other back mentioned. Power, moves, speed, vision. He’s almost a clone of Chubb. Same height, will play around 215 this year
ETA - McFadden is the best back I’ve seen in the last 20 years in the SEC
ETA - McFadden is the best back I’ve seen in the last 20 years in the SEC
This post was edited on 7/7/23 at 11:09 pm
Posted on 7/7/23 at 11:20 pm to Pulpwood Patterson
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He’s also on a current pace to outrush Henry in the NFL, with a higher YPC average. I’m not sure how you’d definitively say he’s not.
He is on pace to outrush Henry. Chubb has averaged 84 yards per game through his NFL career versus 82 yards per game for Henry. But, running backs have one of if not the shortest career spans of any position in football. They are great. Until the next year they just aren’t. And in two years are out of the league. It will be interesting to see how their careers end up.
Posted on 7/8/23 at 12:15 am to MillerLiteTime
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He was a great college back, but at some point you have to factor in the bust he was in the NFL. For him to fail so badly in the NFL
Dude played like 10 seasons in the league and had two 1k+ seasons. He wasn't a superstar but he did fine.
Posted on 7/8/23 at 2:24 am to MillerLiteTime
quote:Busts typically don't rush for over 1,000 yards in their final season. He battled injuries but the issue in Oakland wasn't him.
you have to factor in the bust he was in the NFL. For him to fail so badly in the NFL
Posted on 7/8/23 at 2:45 am to Dude20
nfw, goober quote:
Adrian Peterson is the best RB in the last 20 years, college or pro. You Arkansas fans are fvckin ridiculous with this BS. Lol
Posted on 7/8/23 at 2:47 am to chadr07
quote:This really says it all.
Maybe not but if I had to pick one RB to carry my team the length of the field for a TD when you need it most out of McFadden, Gurley, Chubb and Michel I’m picking McFadden every time.
Over Peterson, Bush, etc, too.
I'd have to go back to Bo Jackson to bench McFadden in that situation; and that would be agonizing.
Posted on 7/8/23 at 2:50 am to Hawgnsincebirth55
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He played on a much better team
That's debatable. Once he went down in 2015, our offense was total shite.
His QBs while he was at UGA
Hutson Mason
Grayson Lambert
Jacob Eason (freshman and looked like it)
Fromm (freshman beyond his years, but not like he was Bryce Young)
That's better than Dick, but not like it's light years away.
Posted on 7/8/23 at 2:55 am to ThePoo
quote:Thats the argument from me. LSU is the perfect example. Y'alls defense was INSANE and everyone knew McFadden was getting the ball but he'd still find a way.
I'd put mcfadden up with the tebows and cam newtons of that time as far as fear factor
You knew he was getting his and there was nothing you could do about it, maybe be the only running back i truly was scared to see line up on the other side. He carried some of those arkansas teams on his back
Peterson was a dog but he went against actually garbage defenses. mcFadden faced 5-star stacked teams that had 9 dudes in the box keying on him and it just didnt really matter.
Posted on 7/8/23 at 3:02 am to koreandawg
Chubb was a beast, no doubt. He's just a peg lower to me bc I have McFadden on SEC RB Mt Rushmore with Bo and Hershel. The real argument is for #4 on the list.
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