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Posted on 5/16/23 at 2:02 am to The Orange Bull
Posted on 5/16/23 at 2:02 am to The Orange Bull
Should be imperative to get into NC and VA by any combination of their four choices. Heck add KY and MO and you’ll have all 13 states under the banner
Posted on 5/16/23 at 5:30 am to AustinLiberal
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Should be imperative to get into NC and VA by any combination of their four choices
This. It is about adding footprint. It is why Mizzou got in.
If we add teams we will look at Virginia, North Carolina first. FSU and Clemson are good teams but do not expand the footprint. Texas was an exception, but Texas is a huge state and Texas with Oklahoma made a lot of sense. (We had TAMU).
Posted on 5/16/23 at 6:06 am to The Orange Bull
You better take them all or the B1G will be moving in right next door. My personal preference:
1) UNC
2) UVA (SEC does the "University of ..." in the South)
3) Va Tech
4) NC State (doubles down on new media markets, preserves rivalries)
5) FSU
6) Clemson (feels like they should be in already)
7) Miami (really can't stand them, not a cultural fit)
East
UVA
VT
UNC
NCSU
SC
Clemson
GA
FL
FSU
TN
KY
West
AL
Auburn
MS
MSU
LSU
AR
A&M
TX
OU
MO
Vandy
If they make you take Miami, then grab T-Boone U and go to 24.
1) UNC
2) UVA (SEC does the "University of ..." in the South)
3) Va Tech
4) NC State (doubles down on new media markets, preserves rivalries)
5) FSU
6) Clemson (feels like they should be in already)
7) Miami (really can't stand them, not a cultural fit)
East
UVA
VT
UNC
NCSU
SC
Clemson
GA
FL
FSU
TN
KY
West
AL
Auburn
MS
MSU
LSU
AR
A&M
TX
OU
MO
Vandy
If they make you take Miami, then grab T-Boone U and go to 24.
This post was edited on 5/16/23 at 6:22 am
Posted on 5/16/23 at 6:18 am to RockChalkTiger
SEC only needs one of:
UVA/Va Tech
UNC/NCST
They don’t need multiple schools in the same footprint if they aren’t elite schools because they don’t bring anything at that point.
The SEC doesn’t need Duke, Miami, GTech, Louisville because they don’t belong in the top division of NIL era football and all the rivalry games could be played as non-conference like Clemson-SC, UGA/Tech currently are.
The invite list should be:
UVA / VTech (one)
UNC / NC ST (one)
Clemson
FSU
ND (bad fit but elite program)
If the B10 takes the two that don’t get an invite you are over the 50% threshold and the split happens.
UVA/Va Tech
UNC/NCST
They don’t need multiple schools in the same footprint if they aren’t elite schools because they don’t bring anything at that point.
The SEC doesn’t need Duke, Miami, GTech, Louisville because they don’t belong in the top division of NIL era football and all the rivalry games could be played as non-conference like Clemson-SC, UGA/Tech currently are.
The invite list should be:
UVA / VTech (one)
UNC / NC ST (one)
Clemson
FSU
ND (bad fit but elite program)
If the B10 takes the two that don’t get an invite you are over the 50% threshold and the split happens.
This post was edited on 5/16/23 at 6:21 am
Posted on 5/16/23 at 6:26 am to tide06
Nc State and VTech are way better culture fits than UNC and VA. You don’t want those wine and cheesers
Posted on 5/16/23 at 6:36 am to CarolinaGamecock99
Yeah, I could see the B1G swooping in and taking them to shore up their lacrosse or something like that.
NC, VA should be the priority, though. I could live with just NC State and Va Tech, if that's all we got out of this. Split it into 9-team divisions by moving the Alabama schools to the East and Vandy to the West.
NC, VA should be the priority, though. I could live with just NC State and Va Tech, if that's all we got out of this. Split it into 9-team divisions by moving the Alabama schools to the East and Vandy to the West.
This post was edited on 5/16/23 at 6:37 am
Posted on 5/16/23 at 6:37 am to tide06
I mean honestly I think everyone thinks this is leading to a new division 1 and rightfully so(its not fair for Utah state and western Kentuckys of the world with thier resources compete against bama uga Texas osu) I think it'll be modeled after the nfl(two leagues, two playoffs, then a "super" between the two) if this is the model wouldn't everyone(collective bargaining) be making the same and have same number of playoff spots? If so send the fsu and clemsons of the world to the other league. It needs quality teams more than the sec
Posted on 5/16/23 at 6:45 am to BigBro
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* Missouri got upset and went to the B1G
Typical tejas bullshite.
Posted on 5/16/23 at 7:08 am to bamabaseballsec
I think this is exactly where we are headed. This will end up being NFL lite with a break away from the NCAA. New rules for portal transfer, athlete contracts and school payouts.
Rivalries could all be preserved by having multiple small pods within the 2 main conferences. Schools only play teams within the new 48 team college league. No games against the directional schools. Rosters expanded to accommodate more talent.
Playoff with wild card set up like NFL for a longer playoff period. Each year schedule will be revealed based on prior years finish for parity.
Rivalries could all be preserved by having multiple small pods within the 2 main conferences. Schools only play teams within the new 48 team college league. No games against the directional schools. Rosters expanded to accommodate more talent.
Playoff with wild card set up like NFL for a longer playoff period. Each year schedule will be revealed based on prior years finish for parity.
Posted on 5/16/23 at 7:20 am to Bwmdx
I think 40 works better. 20 team conferences with four 5 team divisions in each.
Posted on 5/16/23 at 7:27 am to JBlutarsky
quote:
Typical tejas bullshite.
Let’s be honest.. you took a big ole bite of that bright shiny hook..
Let’s assume we need 16 teams to get to 48
B1G
* Oregon
* Washington
* California
* Stanford
COULD GO EITHER WAY
* Notre Dame **
* Miami **
* UNC **
* UVA **
SEC
FSU **
Clemson **
NC State **
VT **
* AAU or R1 Level School
** ACC School
I think the 12 above are pretty safe bets. So who are the last 4 from below that belong in the top group?
Other Possibilities
* Utah
* Colorado
* Arizona
* Kansas
* Pittsburgh **
* GT **
* Duke **
Louisville **
Boston College **
Syracuse **
WVU
Cincinnati
Texas Tech
TCU
Baylor
Oklahoma State
Arizona State
BYU
Army
Navy
Posted on 5/16/23 at 7:51 am to CarolinaGamecock99
I think they only no brainers that would get invites tomorrow are unc and Virginia. Personally I'd hard pass on ncstate and VTech. Where else are they going?
This post was edited on 5/16/23 at 8:58 am
Posted on 5/16/23 at 7:55 am to BigBro
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So who are the last 4 from below that belong in the top group?
If you are only taking four, then it's probably the four remaining Pac-12 South schools that are flirting with the Big-12 right now. The rest aren't really football schools, and could survive in whatever the new division is that encompasses the current "Group of Five," between the two power conferences and FCS. You'll still have some quality basketball programs there, but they really can't compete in football anymore. Basically, you have a B1G-Pac12 merger and a SEC-ACC merger that divides the nation into two conferences, each with two divisions that look like the old ACC, SEC, B1G and Pac (East, South, North, and West). They play their conference semis (old conference CGs), then their conference championships (national semis), then the CG, which is an 8-team playoff that guarantees only one SEC team in there per year.
Or you could take all of that fluff, create two 32-team superconferences (B1G, SEC) each with 16-team regional conferences (North, South, East, and West) divided into 8-team divisions. The possibilities are endless!
This post was edited on 5/16/23 at 8:11 am
Posted on 5/16/23 at 8:17 am to RockChalkTiger
I agree, that is the likely format. Perhaps something like this?
8 divisions
PAC
(USC, UCLA, Oregon, Washington, Stanford & California)
B1G
Michigan, Michigan State, Wisconsin, Iowa, Minnesota, Nebraska or Colorado?
B1G
Ohio State, Penn State, Indiana, Purdue, Illinois, Northwestern
ACC / Big East
(Notre Dame, Pittsburgh, Rutgers, Maryland, UNC, UVA)
Big 12
(TX, OU, A&M, Missouri, Ok State?, Nebraska or Colorado?
SEC
(Alabama, Auburn, LSU, Arkansas, OM, MSU)
SEC
(Florida, Georgia, TN, Vandy, KY, SC)
ACC / Big East
(FSU, Miami, Clemson, Va Tech, NC State, GT)
Not sure how they would set up quarterfinals and semifinals, but then yes.. the Super Bowl would be B1G vs SEC
It’s actually a great plan when you look at it this way. I think
Playoffs
B1G vs PAC (Fiesta)
B1G vs ACC/BE (??)
then
B1G Champ (Rose)
SEC vs Big 12 (Cotton or Sugar)
SEC vs ACC (Orange or Peach)
then
SEC Champ (Sugar or Peach)
then
Super Bowl (rotating)
Or something like that.. honestly.. I love the idea of something like this. It’s kinda the best of both worlds, which means it won’t happen.
You also could do..
PAC vs Big 12 (Fiesta)
ACC vs ACC (Orange)
B1G vs B1G (???)
SEC vs SEC (Peach)
Then rank the 4 teams, wouldn’t make a difference to me. That would depend on how the original B1G and SEC members wanted to set that up. Lots of options.
8 divisions
PAC
(USC, UCLA, Oregon, Washington, Stanford & California)
B1G
Michigan, Michigan State, Wisconsin, Iowa, Minnesota, Nebraska or Colorado?
B1G
Ohio State, Penn State, Indiana, Purdue, Illinois, Northwestern
ACC / Big East
(Notre Dame, Pittsburgh, Rutgers, Maryland, UNC, UVA)
Big 12
(TX, OU, A&M, Missouri, Ok State?, Nebraska or Colorado?
SEC
(Alabama, Auburn, LSU, Arkansas, OM, MSU)
SEC
(Florida, Georgia, TN, Vandy, KY, SC)
ACC / Big East
(FSU, Miami, Clemson, Va Tech, NC State, GT)
Not sure how they would set up quarterfinals and semifinals, but then yes.. the Super Bowl would be B1G vs SEC
It’s actually a great plan when you look at it this way. I think
Playoffs
B1G vs PAC (Fiesta)
B1G vs ACC/BE (??)
then
B1G Champ (Rose)
SEC vs Big 12 (Cotton or Sugar)
SEC vs ACC (Orange or Peach)
then
SEC Champ (Sugar or Peach)
then
Super Bowl (rotating)
Or something like that.. honestly.. I love the idea of something like this. It’s kinda the best of both worlds, which means it won’t happen.
You also could do..
PAC vs Big 12 (Fiesta)
ACC vs ACC (Orange)
B1G vs B1G (???)
SEC vs SEC (Peach)
Then rank the 4 teams, wouldn’t make a difference to me. That would depend on how the original B1G and SEC members wanted to set that up. Lots of options.
This post was edited on 5/16/23 at 8:44 am
Posted on 5/16/23 at 8:41 am to BigBro
I could see that. I could also see something even more radical, where universities get uncomfortable operating what is essentially a football minor league, and this new entity leases the on-campus stadiums and the NIL from each university, drafts high school players and formally signs them to contracts, (the schools let them go for free, if they want to), but it's all run like a semi-pro sports league that gets athletic departments back to supporting all the other sports while the pro-style semi-pro football league just writes them a fat check every year.
But I'll play along:
Quarters
Pac CG: Fiesta
B1G CG: Indy
SEC CG: Sugar
ACC CG: Peach
Semis
B1G-Pac: Rose
SEC/ACC: Orange
CG: Cotton
Or some such foolishness
But I'll play along:
Quarters
Pac CG: Fiesta
B1G CG: Indy
SEC CG: Sugar
ACC CG: Peach
Semis
B1G-Pac: Rose
SEC/ACC: Orange
CG: Cotton
Or some such foolishness
This post was edited on 5/16/23 at 8:48 am
Posted on 5/16/23 at 8:53 am to RockChalkTiger
Agreed on all of that. I could see the football getting carved out from the school, etc. My initial thought is that I don’t care if John Doe QB actually attends classes or not, but I would guess how they act might matter.
Posted on 5/16/23 at 9:00 am to Tillman
I respect Clemson but do not what anymore expansion. The SEC is already a meat grinder, and now with Texas and OU, it will be completely a cluster f.
Clemson and FSU should figure out how to make their conference more appealing to those outside the ACC. It’s eyeballs that drive revenue.
Get those rich alums at wake Forrest, Duke, Virginia etc to pony up money and make their product more appealing.
Clemson fans are great. Met many at the Natty games and they were great. However, the number of eyeballs they or FSU would bring to the SEC, does not justify their membership. Texas and OU are National Brands. Sorry Clemson, FSU but nobody cares watching you outside of your local fiefdom.
Clemson and FSU should figure out how to make their conference more appealing to those outside the ACC. It’s eyeballs that drive revenue.
Get those rich alums at wake Forrest, Duke, Virginia etc to pony up money and make their product more appealing.
Clemson fans are great. Met many at the Natty games and they were great. However, the number of eyeballs they or FSU would bring to the SEC, does not justify their membership. Texas and OU are National Brands. Sorry Clemson, FSU but nobody cares watching you outside of your local fiefdom.

Posted on 5/16/23 at 9:08 am to bamaoldtimer
quote:
I respect Clemson but do not what anymore expansion. The SEC is already a meat grinder, and now with Texas and OU, it will be completely a cluster f.
Clemson and FSU should figure out how to make their conference more appealing to those outside the ACC. It’s eyeballs that drive revenue.
Get those rich alums at wake Forrest, Duke, Virginia etc to pony up money and make their product more appealing.
Clemson fans are great. Met many at the Natty games and they were great. However, the number of eyeballs they or FSU would bring to the SEC, does not justify their membership. Texas and OU are National Brands. Sorry Clemson, FSU but nobody cares watching you outside of your local fiefdom.
I think we're squeezing water from a rock already. While a more appealing ACC would be ideal, in this current landscape of College Football I think the ACC is about as good as it's going to get.
The Schools that are not pulling their financial weight have no incentive to pony up more money if the current GOR stays put.
Would you rather have Clemson, Miami and FSU in the SEC or would you want the BIG in the SEC footprint?
Posted on 5/16/23 at 9:09 am to Tillman
quote:
don't see a reason for Clemson to leave ACC especially with 12 team playoff coming. Clemson has plenty of money and part of Clemson's appeal is the underdog role.
You're an idiot. The whole reason Clempson wants out is because the acc schools will now be getting 25 to 30 million less than SEC and b1g schools will be getting per year. The writing is on the wall for the acc and they know they will be a lower level conference if things remain the same.
The only reason Clempson could previously compete is they once had the ability to buy recruits but have you noticed how your team and recruiting has started falling off once NIL was legal. You're going back to being a has been and you offer nothing.
This post was edited on 5/16/23 at 9:10 am
Posted on 5/16/23 at 9:10 am to bamaoldtimer
quote:That seems to be internet BS. From the Grant of Rights:
Somewhere I read that 50% of members can void the contract. Problem will Disney. We need to assimilate you and OU before biting off anymore. I see these teams teaming with some pac 12 leftovers and some independents and forming new league etc. I really don’t want FSU and Clemson
quote:
Each of the Member Institutions acknowledges that the grant of Rights during the entire Term is irrevocable and effective until the end of the Term regardless of whether the Member Institution withdraws from the Conference during the Term or otherwise ceases to participate as a member of the Conference in accordance with the Conference's Constitution and Bylaws.
quote:
This Agreement may not be modified or amended other than by an agreement in writing signed by duly authorized representatives of the Conference and each of the Member Institutions that are then members of the Conference.
If they are thinking about dissolving the conference, the ACC Constitution is silent on that point, as such, but any amendment of the constitution requires a 3/4 vote, so I think a bare majority is likely not sufficient to dissolve the league.
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