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re: Tennessee = Zero Heisman U
Posted on 9/19/24 at 9:28 am to Smokeyone
Posted on 9/19/24 at 9:28 am to Smokeyone
George 'Bad News' Cafego was UT's first screw job on the Heisman. He was the number 1 pick in the 1940 NFL draft. Like most men of that era, WWII stopped his career.
Hank Lauricella was runner up in 1951.
Johnny Majors received the biggest screw job in Heisman history. Worse than Peyton. Paul Hornung of Notre Dame (naturally) was the only winner ever to play for a losing team. Hornung showed a lot of class. Until the day he died he would say, "Johnny Majors deserved that Heisman."
Peyton...we all know what happened. He got the last laugh. He is all over the place. More famous than any Heisman winner other than....OJ Simpson.
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The joke is on that bunch of yankees that vote and belong to the New York Athletic Club. Peyton would have been the best ambassador ever for their 60 pound stop.
I have one wish about the Heisman. I want a Tennessee player to win it, and not show up for the ceremony. ",,and the winner is....uh...he isn't here, folks. He said this is the day he always washes his car."
Hank Lauricella was runner up in 1951.
Johnny Majors received the biggest screw job in Heisman history. Worse than Peyton. Paul Hornung of Notre Dame (naturally) was the only winner ever to play for a losing team. Hornung showed a lot of class. Until the day he died he would say, "Johnny Majors deserved that Heisman."
Peyton...we all know what happened. He got the last laugh. He is all over the place. More famous than any Heisman winner other than....OJ Simpson.
` The joke is on that bunch of yankees that vote and belong to the New York Athletic Club. Peyton would have been the best ambassador ever for their 60 pound stop.
I have one wish about the Heisman. I want a Tennessee player to win it, and not show up for the ceremony. ",,and the winner is....uh...he isn't here, folks. He said this is the day he always washes his car."
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Posted on 9/19/24 at 10:17 am to Yezzard
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In 1993, Shuler was the Southeastern Conference (SEC) player of the year and came in second behind Florida State quarterback Charlie Ward in the voting for the Heisman Trophy
Ward immediately gave up football for basketball.
Posted on 9/19/24 at 10:29 am to Smokeyone
well whatever it is, Kirby has figured it out.
Posted on 9/19/24 at 10:31 am to Yezzard
Jim Brown deserved the Heisman that year over Hornung and Majors.
This post was edited on 9/19/24 at 10:35 am
Posted on 9/19/24 at 10:46 am to Hback
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Jim Brown deserved the Heisman that year over Hornung and Majors.
I'll take Hornung's word. He was there. Hornung threw 3 TDs that year, and 13 INTs.
Brown finished 5th in the voting. Brown was THIRD in the nation in rushing.
Posted on 9/19/24 at 10:59 am to Yezzard
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Brown was THIRD in the nation in rushing
Because Syracuse played an 8 game season, but still rushed for 986 yards. Majors was often asked who SHOULD have won the award. His response? “Jim Brown.”
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Posted on 9/19/24 at 11:31 am to SmokeyGirl
Sept 2023, 200 posts. Alter alert. Bonus points for putting 'Girl' in the username too.
Posted on 9/19/24 at 11:35 am to OU_Fan
Remember when you thought OU's offensive line was going to be good this year? Good times.
Posted on 9/19/24 at 1:52 pm to RelentlessTide
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Bryant never had a Heisman winner at Bama
Alabama is a great example of how to win a fricking shite ton of games without a Heisman winner. The Tide has corrected it recently but the number of games won without a Heisman winner is impressive. Its a team sport, if you have one player stacking up huge stats its usually indicative of a lack of depth.
Posted on 9/19/24 at 2:08 pm to OU_Fan
I heard Nico can throw the football out of the stadium, now let's see if he can get a SEC win on the road
Posted on 9/19/24 at 2:10 pm to Smokeyone
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Can you explain the gimmick? Honest question. I hear this a lot and when asked to explain it they are usually very wrong. So, can you explain the gimmick?
The only real gimmick part of TN's offense is the fact they pretty much always run a hurry up offense. They aren't so much an offense that relies on great play calls, but rather relies on getting the defense confused and exploiting that confusion.
Other than that they run a run first offense that spreads out players but does not so much have spread lanes on the OL. It's not a particularly innovative offense. What Heupel does well is teach the offense to his players so THEY don't make mistakes. That lets them capitalize against the opponents. But if the opponents have equal or better talent and don't make mistakes... Heupel's offense loses the matchup.
That's different than a guy like Lane Kiffin. Lane Kiffin doesn't create wins by having the opponent make mental mistakes. He analyzes the opponent and calls plays that create mismatches even if the opponent does everything right.
In the end, UGA has been able to stop TN's run game every year under Heupel with their base 7 man front. This means that when TN tries deep passes against UGA, the safeties don't bite and are back in pass coverage... which limits the damage from those plays a ton. While Lane will keep trying different plays to create openings against UGA, TN just can't go that far off script. They just keep running the same things as fas as they can and hope the opponent screws up.
Heupel is simply not very good at adjusting his offenses to any situation that arises in the game he didn't expect coming in. As soon as it goes off script, TN falters.
Posted on 9/19/24 at 2:10 pm to nicholastiger
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I heard Nico can throw the football out of the stadium
Posted on 9/19/24 at 2:14 pm to DawgCountry
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Kirby has figured it out.
It’s easy to figure out. You need a deep and aggressive front seven that is prepared to accept that they will get beat on some plays but will wear down the Oline if it’s not deep enough.
That’s the magic. It’s simple until you have to actually do it. Vols have played 3 games with almost no wear and tear. So a quarter of the season. Plus 2 bye weeks means the starters will be fresher than ever under Huepel.
Posted on 9/19/24 at 2:52 pm to DawginSC
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In the end, UGA has been able to stop TN's run game every year under Heupel with their base 7 man front. This means that when TN tries deep passes against UGA, the safeties don't bite and are back in pass coverage... which limits the damage from those plays a ton. While Lane will keep trying different plays to create openings against UGA, TN just can't go that far off script. They just keep running the same things as fas as they can and hope the opponent screws up.
Close. Very close. Heupel has been limited by what he could do on O and D by personnel issues. When you only have 4 WRs, 2 RBs, and no TE that you really trust it’s very difficult to scheme in game.
This year their are 6 WRs, 2 RBs, and very important 2 TEs that he can trust. The biggest issue is Oline depth. In the past UGA has been able to exploit a weak link in the Oline with a line shift pre or during the snap and absolutely abuse a single rattled Oline guy. With the new limitations on the pre snap D stuff and a bit more depth hopefully it will be a more interesting game.
Posted on 9/19/24 at 3:01 pm to OU_Fan
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Hard to believe that in SEC history, Tennessee has never had a player to win the Heisman, not even Manning.
I know...also, did you know that Alabama has only had a football team for 15 years? That must be the case, since that is when they got their first Heisman Trophy Winner. Guess Bear Bryant was mediocre, after all...right?
Posted on 9/19/24 at 3:06 pm to OU_Fan
quote:Ive never understood why people say this like it is some kind of program accomplishment. Championships are what matters, the more recent the better.
Be sure to visit OU’s 7 Heisman trophy winner statues while in Norman.
Posted on 9/19/24 at 3:09 pm to tigerfoot
We would obviously trade them in for Nattys but after that it's the most prestigious award in college.
Posted on 9/19/24 at 3:10 pm to OU_Fan
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Been hearing Tennessee is the better program and all.
Tennessee Alts are getting outta control.
Posted on 9/19/24 at 3:13 pm to tigerfoot
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Ive never understood why people say this like it is some kind of program accomplishment. Championships are what matters, the more recent the better.
To be fair, OU has many Big 12 championships. The second place team isn't even close. Sigh.
Yeah, yeah, Big 12 isn't SEC, yada, yada.
Posted on 9/19/24 at 3:17 pm to Jdgood1
Order of preferences:
1) national championship
2) playoff win
3) playoff appearance
4)conference championship
5) division championship
6) win over conference foe
7) heisman winner
1) national championship
2) playoff win
3) playoff appearance
4)conference championship
5) division championship
6) win over conference foe
7) heisman winner
This post was edited on 9/19/24 at 3:24 pm
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