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re: Spurrier this morning on the Texas A&M job
Posted on 11/30/17 at 10:56 am to DawgsLife
Posted on 11/30/17 at 10:56 am to DawgsLife
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So, LSU didn't really want Fisher? is that it? How about Herman? Did they really not want Herman, either? The real prize was Orgeron? LSU got the man they really wanted?
LSU and Jimbo is a long story. Act 1. Jimbo a beloved LSU coordinator with a great coach in front of him. Plan was to let him thrive and develop at 2nd tier ACC and FSU. Then come back to coach LSU. Act 2. LSU snubs him and gets Les. Act 3. LSU gets him, but then dumps him at the altar and keeps Les. Act 4. Les fired. Jimbo tells LSU to take a hike after two dumpings. Herman goes UT and LSU goes with number 3 with O. Act 5. Jimbo’s tenure at FSU is in grave jeopardy. O’s 1st year was actually good. No LSU available. So he seeks the land of LSU sloppy seconds aTm.
Did LSU get who we wanted? No.
Did LSU get what we wanted, a good coach? Perhaps. It’s only year one, but O has had the unquestioned best season of the three.
We may have been lucky, not good, in last year’s coaching derby.
A&M already lost their best replacement. They should have thrown Sabin+ money at Mullen. He can recruit and coach with the SEC West elites Bama, LSU, and Auburn.
Jimbo is a good coach, but I just don’t see him leading TAMU to the promised land. I like Jimbo, and I suspect and hope aTm overpays him.
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Posted on 11/30/17 at 11:06 am to HubbaBubba
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My daughter is Christian and doesn't believe men should be fricking other men, if that's what you mean. I think she was uncomfortable with how 'handsy' the yell leaders are with each other and was grossed out.
Wow.
Your daughter is an embarrassment.
Posted on 11/30/17 at 11:06 am to aggressor
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LSU is a better job and better program than aTm.
It appears that Jimbo Fisher disagrees with you.
Yeah, because there’s absolutely no way that circumstances have changed in the last 12-24 months.
Posted on 11/30/17 at 11:14 am to DawgsLife
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Dude. Stop, back away and take a deep, deep breath. You are saying Fisher cannot recruit consistently? His last 4 classes: 2017- #6 2016- #3 2015- #3 2014- #4 Looks pretty consistent to me.
Dude, you stop and smell the coffee. You’re ignoring three critical pieces of information.
First, the 4 team playoffs made the ACC a viable national championship contender in 2014. This helped his recruiting, but has caused increased competition for the ACC championship and possible ticket to NCAA.
Second, his largest state recruitment rivals UF and Miami have been in a slump. Miami is on the rise and UF with Mullen should be formidable. He no longer is the big fish and most desirable Florida destination.
Finally, why would he leave with the greatness you claim for him? FSU is showing signs of booting his arse to the curb!
Posted on 11/30/17 at 11:16 am to DesScorp
LSU is the big dog in Louisiana for sure but there are only 4.6 million people in the state. The Houston Metro alone has 6.3 million and Texas has 28 million and both are still growing rapidly.
I am loving the narratives being spun that LSU was really the one that rejected Jimbo though, it's fascinating. Go back to tRant at this time the last 2 years and it told a very different story right up until you "rejected" Jimbo.
I don't disagree at all that LSU has been far more successful than A&M over the last 20 years nor do I disagree that LSU's success is a huge part of their appeal to coaches or recruits. LSU is a great program. The only issue is that recent success isn't everything and A&M can match or exceed LSU in terms of money, recruiting base, and support. Both programs have the tools to be very successful for the next 20 years and maybe they both will, maybe LSU continues to dominate, or maybe A&M flips the script like we did in the late 80's and 90's. Only time will tell.
I am loving the narratives being spun that LSU was really the one that rejected Jimbo though, it's fascinating. Go back to tRant at this time the last 2 years and it told a very different story right up until you "rejected" Jimbo.
I don't disagree at all that LSU has been far more successful than A&M over the last 20 years nor do I disagree that LSU's success is a huge part of their appeal to coaches or recruits. LSU is a great program. The only issue is that recent success isn't everything and A&M can match or exceed LSU in terms of money, recruiting base, and support. Both programs have the tools to be very successful for the next 20 years and maybe they both will, maybe LSU continues to dominate, or maybe A&M flips the script like we did in the late 80's and 90's. Only time will tell.
Posted on 11/30/17 at 11:16 am to DWag215
Still butthurt lsu didn’t hire him he’s a frickhead
Posted on 11/30/17 at 11:17 am to DWag215
Spurrier's still butt-hurt at LSU because he once wanted the HC job here and was turned down. LSU also sent him into retirement after we pummeled him in 2015.
Spurrier = mouthy has-been ex-coach
Spurrier = mouthy has-been ex-coach
Posted on 11/30/17 at 11:19 am to ibldprplgld
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Jimbo can recruit. But my concern with Jimbo was similar to my concern with Miles: great recruiter but the on field results don't really wow me.
I guess we all have our own idea about what is successful and what isn't. But, the last 4 years Jimbo has had Florida State at:
2016- 8th
2015- 14th
2014- 3rd
2013- National Champions
Really not all that bad, but you have a point. With those top recruiting classes, you wouldn't think they would fold up this year after their QB went down.
Posted on 11/30/17 at 11:23 am to L S Usetheforce
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Steve Spurrier couldn’t beat Les Miles....poor fricking guy
Spurrier is one coach that Les Miles sent packing into retirement, after LSU pummeled uSC in 2015.
Posted on 11/30/17 at 11:23 am to Gaspergou202
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First, the 4 team playoffs made the ACC a viable national championship contender in 2014. This helped his recruiting, but has caused increased competition for the ACC championship and possible ticket to NCAA.
But he won the National Championship in 2013!
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Second, his largest state recruitment rivals UF and Miami have been in a slump. Miami is on the rise and UF with Mullen should be formidable. He no longer is the big fish and most desirable Florida destination.
And it is your thinking that it will be easier to recruit against Texas, Oklahoma, LSU, TCU?
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Finally, why would he leave with the greatness you claim for him? FSU is showing signs of booting his arse to the curb!
Money?
I mean, why did LSU want him so badly if he is so bad? 
Posted on 11/30/17 at 11:26 am to DWag215
Okay, so I read this entire thread. LSU fans are coming unglued at the thought that a well respected coach believes A&M is a better job. They have yet to mention Auburn and Alabam.
So, LSU fans concede that Auburn and Alabama are better jobs than theres apparently.
It’s either that, or LSU fan is so completely obsessed with us that they can’t see anything else.
So, LSU fans concede that Auburn and Alabama are better jobs than theres apparently.
It’s either that, or LSU fan is so completely obsessed with us that they can’t see anything else.
Posted on 11/30/17 at 11:37 am to AgsNguyening
Posted on 11/30/17 at 11:41 am to DawgsLife
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But he won the National Championship in 2013!
Yes. He got there by beating weak ACC competition. It’s now strong.
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And it is your thinking that it will be easier to recruit against Texas, Oklahoma, LSU, TCU?
No. It will be harder. Throw in competition for back up talent like Texas Tech, Oklahoma State, Arkansas, Baylor, and pop ups like Houston. He is a bad fit for aTm! But A&M is a good fit for him. They will overpay him and be overly patient, and I’m happy for both Jimbo (upgrade) and Aggie continued mediocrity.
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Money? I mean, why did LSU want him so badly if he is so bad?
LSU did not want him bad. He overpriced his talent level, and LSU declined. I thought he chose an inflated number as a F U to LSU for passed snubs. But a fool and his money are quickly parted, right Aggies?
Posted on 11/30/17 at 11:45 am to Farmer1906
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What on field results would wow you? Give me an average record.
Jimbo not only has a huge talent advantage in the ACC, but he has nationally elite recruiting classes every year at FSU. He's never lost the ACC recruiting title once since 2010, even to Clemson. Any team not named Bama would give anything to have these classes. Jimbo's 247 recruiting class national rankings:
2011: #2
2012: #4
2013: #11
2014: #4
2015: #3
2016: #3
2017: #6
That's consistent, nationally elite level talent coming in every year. Given the fact that he has such a talent advantage, and the fact that the ACC is weaker than the SEC, I would expect FSU to be the "Bama" of the ACC. Jimbo should have no less than 11 wins each year with his talent and the competition in the ACC. He doesn't. He is 83-23 (.78) overall which I suppose is respectable. However, one major critique of his is that he is average without an elite level QB. WIth Jameis, Jimbo went 39-3 (.93) and won the ACC all three years, and a national title. However, take the Jameis years out, and Jimbo falls to 44-20 (.69) with zero ACC titles and no national titles. Overall, he is .500 against his main ACC rival Clemson. Take out Jameis, and he's 1-4 (.20) against them. Given the talent advantage he has, that's not really indicative of elite level coaching.
In addition, at FSU Jimbo has losses to the following unranked teams:
UC State: 3 losses
UNC: 2 losses
Wake Forest
Virginia
Ga Tech
Louisville
Boston College
So with Jameis, Fisher averages 10.3 wins per season. Which is below where he should be. Without Jameis ,he's averaging 8.8 which gets coaches fired in the much tougher SEC West.
My overall point is this: those standards are very high. But given his talent and the competition, an elite level coach in that circumstance would do it. It's the same problem with Les Miles: great recruits every year, but the on-field results were not up to par. A 10 year, $75M guaranteed contract is an elite level contract. There is only one elite level coach currently active in the NCAA who could command such a contract, and that coach is not Jimbo.
This post was edited on 11/30/17 at 11:49 am
Posted on 11/30/17 at 11:50 am to Roger Klarvin
quote:this is, and will be, the only honest and reasoned post in this thread.
As far as resources go it is an elite job. Brand new gorgeous $500 million stadium, all new practice/locker room/training facilities, huge student body and alumni base, third largest public endowment in the country, top-5 annually in private donations, fertile local recruiting bed, etc.
We are not elite as far as history goes, our program is only top-20 when it comes to all time winning %. But at the end of the day, recruits don't care what happened 20, 30 or 40 years ago. They care about the current staff, facilities, location and recent trends. With right coach, our lack of history won't matter much.
Posted on 11/30/17 at 11:53 am to AgsNguyening
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Okay, so I read this entire thread.
Okay
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LSU fans are coming unglued at the thought that a well respected coach believes A&M is a better job.
Either you lied in quote 1 or you're an Aggie alumn with poor comprehension skills.
This thread, in truth, is yet another desperate self-esteem grab by Aggie.
Good luck with Jimbo.
I hope yall win something, cuz this cry-baby notice-me routine is just stale.
Posted on 11/30/17 at 12:04 pm to aggressor
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LSU is the big dog in Louisiana for sure but there are only 4.6 million people in the state. The Houston Metro alone has 6.3 million and Texas has 28 million and both are still growing rapidly.
Your math is incomplete.
In state competition for the 28M. UT, A&M, TCU, Tech, Baylor, Houston. Then out of state: Oklahoma, LSU, Oklahoma State, and Arkansas. Not to mention the likes of SMU who can get a good one here and there.
Take population and divide by competition to get a more accurate view.
28/10=2.8
Now 2.8 is smaller than 4.6 right! And LSU raids Texas and Mississippi very well, and cherry picks Florida and Georgia successfully.
Now obviously Houston isn’t going to pull equally with TAMU, but aTm doesn’t pull equally with UT or Oklahoma either.
Finally much of your numbers of growth are do to Hispanics legal and not. Nature or nurture, I don’t care, Louisiana black football players are better. For now at least. And our high schools turn out better SEC defensive talent of all races. If we could only find very good QB talent!
Posted on 11/30/17 at 12:10 pm to DawgsLife
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he was trolling LSU.
Yeah I think you are correct, it is a Good Rivalry
Posted on 11/30/17 at 12:44 pm to 19
What’s stale is LSU fans constant need to make everything about them. LSU not mentioned once in the OP and y’all lose your shite like a twelve year old girl. Grow some balls crotch knuckle and stop being a snowflake that gets offended when someone mentions you might not be the best at something. It’s funny, but pretty fricking pathetic.
Posted on 11/30/17 at 12:50 pm to L S Usetheforce
quote:Educated and intelligent LSU Alums/Fans are still mad that we didn't offer him a job after Archer!
He still mad we never offered him a job after archer.
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