re: Southern baws..did we get too cocky?

Sit back and watch these morons vomit their spaghettios all over college football and watch it run and drip off the edge of the table.

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Agreed, will be B1G vs SEC just like the NFL is AFC vs NFC.

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Close... you need to shift it to the 1960's model.

NFL vs AFL. Separate leagues competing for resources and viewers, that may not play each other.
There may be an interim "Super Bowl" model, where the champions of both conferences play, but the endgame is that one conference absorbs the other, at the administrative level... the way the NFL absorbed the AFL (which became the AFC).

Now, who is the NFL, the SEC or B1G? Long-term tradition probably favors the B1G, but the SEC is the clear on-field superior product.

If you see things in this light, the fact that Notre Dame hasn't already joined the B1G is a very big deal. Them going SEC would be huge, simply because they'd be a legit program right in the middle of "enemy territory". That would be bigger than the B1G getting Clemson or Fla State, IMO.

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UVA, UNC, VATECH and Duke… it’s all we need to complete the southern footprint….

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Not happening, and I don't think the NC legislature would allow it to happen, either. Honestly, given our shared history and the fact that we've had a good, working relationship with them for eons, there's no reason why we should try to undermine the ACC (something the B1G seems to have forgotten with the PAC moves).

Does ESPN have a current offer to Notre Dame to join the SEC?

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I would rather become irrelevant and drop to DII than add a school outside the South

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We’ve already done that (see Missouri, Oklahoma, Texas, and Texas A&M).

The USC and UCLA additions are good; however, I don’t think they are any better, at least, not as a whole, than the UT and OU additions. Said another way, UT and OU > USC and UCLA.

I truly wish we’d poach the Big Ten’s king - Ohio State. Top to bottom, they are substantially ahead of Michigan, Penn State, Wisconsin, and even USC. I seriously think we could do it, too. Athletically, Ohio State is as good as any. The fan base is rabid, and I think they’d truly enjoy playing the Alabama, LSU, Georgia, Florida, Oklahoma, Texas week in and week out. Lastly, it would be an epic “frick you” to Michigan.

If we could nab them and Notre Dame… , sure, you guys go get Oregon and Washington. Have fun.

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This mindset reminds me of the NASCAR moves in recent history. How'd that work out?

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This is 100% accurate.

Back in the day, I'd watch basically every race. Then they started making it about "the show" and started to artificially create drama and ruin the races.

The cars became easier to drive, the tires don't wear out like they would in the past because they use extremely hard tires. And for what is basically "NIL", they put in young drivers that would be appealing in commercials and endorsements over actual racing talent.

All because they for some reason thought the most important thing was to keep "growing" the sport and trying to get ahead of the playoffs. As a result of those actions, hardly anyone watches anymore and the tracks are full of empty stands.

And I'm only scratching the surface. I didn't even mention the chase gimmick, the cookie cutter tracks, leaving unique tracks like Rockingham completely, taking dates away from tracks like Darlington etc.

I didn't leave Nascar, Nascar left me. And now I don't watch it anymore. I heard they were going to start using softer tires again and rely more on mechanical grip, but at this point the sport is so far gone from what it was, doesn't really matter.

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Once they take our border schools, we will have no options for future expansion. The sec is not going to invite schools on an island.

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You are ahead of the curve compared to the rest of the fans on here. You see what's coming.

I mentioned this in another thread, years ago, like 30 or so, I was in the press box at Talladega and one of NASCAR's young whippersnapper marketing people was holding court and saying that their goal was not to be the No. 1 racing series, but to be a co-equal major league sport to the NFL, MLB, the NBA and the NHL.

I thought that was insanity then and I still think it's insanity now, because auto racing has always been a niche sport that, at least from the fan standpoint, appealed to a working class audience.

When NASCAR became the flavor of the month for some yuppies and they had the big boom that IMO had no foundation, they thought their dream had been realized, but the boom went "bust" once everybody moved on to a different flavor of the month. But once people get used to all you can eat feeding at a trough, it's hard to break them of the habit and get them used to downsized portions. So they've been throwing caca at the wall for a couple of decades now, trying to find something that will bring that boom back.

I understand the mindset, because it is impossible to see growth when you cater to no one but your core audience. But when you simply ignore your core audience and decide they're not the kind of people you want to associate with anymore?

I fear the same thing is going to happen with college football. I'm not offering my comments here because I want it to be that way, or that I think it's going to be a good thing for the sport. It's how I see it, and I'm trying NOT to look at it from a fan standpoint, or as a South vs. North thing.

It's not good for the sport and it has the potential to, down the road, alter the landscape of the sport where none of us recognizes it.

The money that's potentially involved here ... not immediately, potentially ... is insane. And the model doesn't work if they cater only to college football's traditional core audience.

Which is my biggest fear ... they're going to go NASCAR and make it a show.

You make it about the show and not about the competition. And you focus exclusively on people 18 to 45 who will be attracted to the show who don't care six cacas about the football. IMO that is the end game. It will never work in the South because of our heritage with the sport, which again is why this may be the point where the SEC says we're going it alone. Who knows if it will work elsewhere?

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You make it about the show and not about the competition.

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The SEC has the best competition, hence the reason why if Alabama does not win the title in football another SEC school will, If LSU does not in baseball, another SEC school will, etc.

If you do not have a good show, nobody will watch, young or old. If the team they are watching has no chance of winning any title, then they will not even buy merchandise, and will stop watching.