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re: SEC will now allow grad transfers to be immediately eligible at new SEC schools
Posted on 6/1/18 at 3:09 pm to David Ricky
Posted on 6/1/18 at 3:09 pm to David Ricky
Yay for free agency
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Posted on 6/1/18 at 3:12 pm to meansonny
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You are talking about manipulating an entire college (i.e. sociology) within a university for the sole purpose of keeping a couple of credits out of the hands of some highly valued backups?
If this does happen, do you understand the storm and hate that this would bring upon bother a university and athletic department if discovered?
We can agree to disagree. Maybe the University of Auburn might be this stupid. Not 99.9% of the universities out there.
No, the manipulation can be very subtle and can occur over a three year period. How many players actually control their class schedules ? I'm not say delaying graduation a few years, one or two semesters during a four year career would be easy to do. If a player doesn't redshirt, it is only three calendar years before a player uses up his eligibility.
This post was edited on 6/1/18 at 3:15 pm
Posted on 6/1/18 at 3:13 pm to TheCheshireHog
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He was the one advocating for it so it’s pretty easy to assume that he wants to use it for his benefit.
saban was being pictured as an a-hole for not allowing guys to transfer. he does care about his perception, and he may even care enough about the student/athlete to want to be fair.
he's the one going to have the guys transfer away. but it's de minimis. not that many guys graduate early. and some of them are starting.
Posted on 6/1/18 at 4:04 pm to LMfan
quote:That's fine. It will be easier to set a trap catching him offering cars to kids.
Saban gonna start recruiting off of other rosters every spring, just you wait
Besides not many good players end up staying til they graduate anyways. If anything teams will start pulling some of those 5*s Saban recruited to keep away from other schools.
Saban will find some underhanded way to not let kids graduate just to keep them away from schools and they will have to fix the rules for that too.
How is he going to like watching the Lineman leave for Auburn or Tennessee he has been trying to stop?
This post was edited on 6/1/18 at 4:32 pm
Posted on 6/1/18 at 4:59 pm to David Ricky
Schools will just "recommend" lighter course loads so players don't graduate early.
Posted on 6/1/18 at 5:01 pm to LMfan
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Saban gonna start recruiting off of other rosters every spring, just you wait
This will happen. And he will pluck anyone he wants off of any sorry or middling team he wants. If you are an all-star player and playing ball at Mizzou, Arky, Vandy, OM, MSST, or any place you don't think will ever win a championship (and you have graduated) . . . watch out.
The Rant, the fans, and the SEC coaches will go nuts.
Posted on 6/1/18 at 5:04 pm to David Ricky
Nick Saban lost the graduate transfer battle but he should win the war (al.com)
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On Friday, the Southeastern Conference's executive committee passed a bylaw change that allows graduate transfers to play immediately when transferring within the league.
Previously, the SEC bylaws demanded a year-in-residency before an intra-conference transfer was eligible to play. The SEC has, on occasion, granted exemptions like it did when Maurice Smith left Alabama for Georgia in 2016.
The rule change could benefit reserve Alabama lineman Brandon Kennedy who is interested in transferring to Auburn or Tennessee but to this point has been unable to do so without losing a year of eligibility.
Alabama can still block Kennedy from transferring to specific programs though that would change if the NCAA passes new notification of transfer legislation this month that prevents schools from blocking players transferring to particular institutions. It seems likely at this point that Alabama will just relent and let Kennedy go wherever he wants.
The SEC's decision comes days after Saban reiterated his disapproval of the proposed rule change to allow transfers to move freely within the league. Saban complained that he was being singled out for his opposition -- "Why is it on me?" -- and said he was simply following the rules. That wasn't a new stance for Saban -- he offered a similar explanation during the Maurice Smith saga and has privately grumbled about the resolution ever since -- but he did offer a smart takeaway if the vote didn't go his way.
"To be honest with you, if we allow that to happen in our league, I think it will benefit some schools more than others," Saban said. "And I think we're one of the schools it would benefit."
It's hard to imagine that observation not proving accurate. Despite his steadfast opposition to the rule change, Saban's Alabama program could benefit as much or more than any other SEC school. Alabama is already one of the most attractive landing spots for high school recruits and there's no reason to assume that won't be the case for graduate transfers, too.
Consider this: Rival SEC players have an up-close look at just how good Alabama is year-after-year. They know that Alabama competes for national championships and pumps players into the NFL annually. With Friday's vote, it made it easier for Alabama to poach a plug-and-play cornerback from Kentucky or a right guard from Vanderbilt.
Alabama has had to search far and wide in the past to obtain graduate transfers - Richard Mullaney (Oregon State) and Gehrig Dieter (Bowling Green) are two recent examples - but can now double-benefit by nabbing an impact player away from a rival.
If Alabama misses on a top target or two on National Signing Day, all it has to do is look around the SEC and target a graduating player at a position of need. Opposing SEC coaches will have to spend even more time on retaining their current players to fight off transfer intrigue.
Alabama won't be the only SEC school to benefit - the monster that Kirby Smart is building in Athens should also be an attractive landing spot - but the Crimson Tide could be the biggest benefactor despite the head coach's public opposition.
That's the way it's typically played out during the Saban era in Tuscaloosa. The Alabama head coach will oppose a rule - usually because it's geared at eliminating some perceived advantage the school has - and yet even if it passes, Alabama experiences no significant downturn.
There was the 2008 rule that banned head coaches from evaluating prospects in the spring. There was the oversigning package in 2011. Most recently, there was legislation that banned former players from practicing after Alabama used John Parker Wilson, Blake Sims and others to help in recent years.
Like the other rules intended to abate Saban, the new graduate transfer rule will likely prove ineffective even if it makes it easier for the Brandon Kennedys of the world to transfer within the conference. Worse for the other SEC programs, this rule might make Alabama even more powerful.
This post was edited on 6/1/18 at 5:25 pm
Posted on 6/1/18 at 8:23 pm to TidalSurge1
It's amazing that they have to make rules every year because one crooked coach. They should just ban his arse for screwing with kids lives for millions a year and getting credit for 5*s winning games.
You really believe anyone thinks that Saban won't find an underhanded way to mess with transfers or buy other teams players.
You really believe anyone thinks that Saban won't find an underhanded way to mess with transfers or buy other teams players.
This post was edited on 6/1/18 at 8:26 pm
Posted on 6/1/18 at 9:12 pm to Rabern57
Angry little barner.
Posted on 6/1/18 at 9:45 pm to Irons Puppet
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They lacked proven depth at OT next year, so they took a grad transfer from UMass to plug a hole.
That's a different situation than a former coach recruiting players like Kirby and Pruitt have done
Posted on 6/1/18 at 10:10 pm to Rabern57
Bless his heart.
Posted on 6/1/18 at 10:12 pm to Herman Frisco
quote:I know. Maybe Saban won't take it too hard.
Bless his heart.
Posted on 6/1/18 at 11:09 pm to LMfan
quote:this is dumb. This rule will hurt Saban a lot more than it will help. He has a lot of 5* players who don't get playing time who want to play. Saban may not need them much, but they can certainly help other teams.
Saban gonna start recruiting off of other rosters every spring, just you wait
Posted on 6/2/18 at 6:37 am to airfernando
The area I see this being used for the most is the QB position. And maybe Bama benefits, but I find it hard to believe grad transfers will want so much competition....most are looking to go to the school that provides the best opportunity to start (These kids aren’t so concerned about winning championships, they only care about playing time and getting to the nfl) I’ve seen it, we’ve loaded up lately. But a lot of this was to fill holes made from past recruiting mistakes....Saban doesn’t have much of that.
This post was edited on 6/2/18 at 6:47 am
Posted on 6/2/18 at 9:12 am to geauxcoco
Imo, if the NCAA eliminates transfer release and contact restrictions on grad transfers (which appears likely), they should also make another rule change:
When a school loses a player via grad transfer, they should be allowed to bring in a grad transfer player, or a juco transfer player who's eligibility doesn't exceed that of the departing player, without it costing them an initial counter spot.
The reasoning: The school already spent an initial counter spot to obtain the full four-year eligibility of the departing player. It seems unfair for the school to have to spend another IC spot that could otherwise be used to add a HS player with four years of eligibility. The 85 total counters limit still keeps the school from gaining anything. It's simply to provide the school with a fair ability to equitably replace the player that they lost.
ETA: That grad transfer replacement exception should already be in the rules, imo. A school who loses a grad transfer typically takes a hit to their experienced depth and should have a fair ability to mitigate it without taking another hit. It'll be needed even more if grad transfer restrictions are eliminated, because it will be more likely a school could lose several grad transfers every year. The cumulative adverse impact of that would be significant.
I'm not opposed to more freedom for grads to transfer, IF programs are at least able to equitably replace the loss of those grad players without incurring a defacto penalty for doing so.
Consider a program that loses its HC and most if not all of his staff too. Recruiting usually suffers, including loss of some top commits. If that program's players who have their degree are free to transfer anywhere and can be contacted freely by other schools, it seems likely that some schools will seize the opportunity to "recruit" them and that they'd be fairly inclined to jump ship.
Again, imo a grad transfer replacement exception rule (like I described) should already exist. I think it definitely needs to be added if/when the NCCA eiminates grad transfer restrictions. There's too much risk of programs being hit by numerous grad tranfers to not have that.
When a school loses a player via grad transfer, they should be allowed to bring in a grad transfer player, or a juco transfer player who's eligibility doesn't exceed that of the departing player, without it costing them an initial counter spot.
The reasoning: The school already spent an initial counter spot to obtain the full four-year eligibility of the departing player. It seems unfair for the school to have to spend another IC spot that could otherwise be used to add a HS player with four years of eligibility. The 85 total counters limit still keeps the school from gaining anything. It's simply to provide the school with a fair ability to equitably replace the player that they lost.
ETA: That grad transfer replacement exception should already be in the rules, imo. A school who loses a grad transfer typically takes a hit to their experienced depth and should have a fair ability to mitigate it without taking another hit. It'll be needed even more if grad transfer restrictions are eliminated, because it will be more likely a school could lose several grad transfers every year. The cumulative adverse impact of that would be significant.
I'm not opposed to more freedom for grads to transfer, IF programs are at least able to equitably replace the loss of those grad players without incurring a defacto penalty for doing so.
Consider a program that loses its HC and most if not all of his staff too. Recruiting usually suffers, including loss of some top commits. If that program's players who have their degree are free to transfer anywhere and can be contacted freely by other schools, it seems likely that some schools will seize the opportunity to "recruit" them and that they'd be fairly inclined to jump ship.
Again, imo a grad transfer replacement exception rule (like I described) should already exist. I think it definitely needs to be added if/when the NCCA eiminates grad transfer restrictions. There's too much risk of programs being hit by numerous grad tranfers to not have that.
This post was edited on 6/2/18 at 7:57 pm
Posted on 6/2/18 at 9:45 am to TidalSurge1
What is going to happen is the non big 6 school starter will leave and go to the BIG 6 school that needs him immediately so he can enhance his profile. The backup that provides depth at the big 6 school will end up in Missouri, Arkansas or Mississippi.
Posted on 6/2/18 at 12:20 pm to TIGERSPIKE
quote:That will help the league. The more he pulls in the more that he has to process out or can't sign. When the league was good from top to bottom there wasn't one team buying all the good players and stock piling them on one team to waste their careers. Plus the big 6 schools are most likely to beat beat Saban anyways. Giving them the talent he tries to stop them from getting is only going to hurt him.
What is going to happen is the non big 6 school starter will leave and go to the BIG 6 school that needs him immediately so he can enhance his profile. The backup that provides depth at the big 6 school will end up in Missouri, Arkansas or Mississippi.
The whole problem now is Saban buying all the 5*s and them not being spread out among the other schools within the league making it more competitive. Give Saban his 3*s CB from Vandy to move a 5*s to a school they can make a difference on. Anything that takes talent from Saban brings out his average coaching skills.
This post was edited on 6/2/18 at 12:33 pm
Posted on 6/2/18 at 12:30 pm to LMfan
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Saban gonna start recruiting off of other rosters every spring, just you wait
and the moment he loses a player he'll be up on the podium crying big arse crocodile tears asking "Is this really what we want the game to be?"
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