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re: SEC Basketball Programs ranked by all time win pct. & all time wins through 2017
Posted on 3/8/17 at 11:49 am to Woopigsooie20
Posted on 3/8/17 at 11:49 am to Woopigsooie20
Here's a fun factoid
When Cliff Ellis left Auburn
-Auburn had 75 more W than UF
-Auburn had 1.5% better Win% than UF
Now,
-Auburn has 84 less W than UF
-Auburn has ~4% lower Win% than UF
When Cliff Ellis left Auburn
-Auburn had 75 more W than UF
-Auburn had 1.5% better Win% than UF
Now,
-Auburn has 84 less W than UF
-Auburn has ~4% lower Win% than UF
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Posted on 3/8/17 at 12:01 pm to GenesChin
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That is glossing over the fact that Arkansas has a NC + a Runner up NC. Ya, the 2NC is obviously more impressive but it is by no means a trump card.
UF has a runner up NC as well in 2000.
It wasn't meant to gloss over that fact, just that having 2 NC's makes up for a lot of the lack in history.
This post was edited on 3/8/17 at 12:02 pm
Posted on 3/8/17 at 12:05 pm to bgator85
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It wasn't meant to gloss over that fact, just that having 2 NC's makes up for a lot of the lack in history.
I definitely agree, I just don't think you can say UF > Arkansas as a program quite yet. I think it is a better job going forward though if that makes sense.
Posted on 3/8/17 at 12:09 pm to Hawgeye
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My point was that because of the low number of total games Arkansas has played the gap would continue to widen as the years go on if Arkansas continues at its 18 win per season average, as it has averaged over the course of its history.
An 18-win season under the current model of a season with a low 30s game-played total is not helpful. In a best case scenario, you'll play 30 games and thus have won 60% of your games.
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I was simply explaining how total years of the program hurt Arkansas in that regard.
It only hurts Arkansas in the sense of total wins. However, as you went to total losses, the same argument goes the other way that of course Arkansas has fewer losses since they've played fewer years. Winning percentage does away with any "years played" differences. The 6% difference in Vandy and Arkansas equates to between 5 and 6 wins over 3 years. At best, you're winning 2 more games a year. All of that to say that Arkansas is not really some stand-alone #2 as you had tried to argue earlier.
Posted on 3/8/17 at 12:10 pm to lsupride87
quote:Hell, the same thing applies in football,too...only we're first in both wins and %. While you're at it look at baseball, too. You'll find Alabama right there around the top....and people question which school has the best all-time SEC sports program.
Now start this same thread for football, and watch the Bama fans say going by win % and total wins is fricking stupid
Posted on 3/8/17 at 12:12 pm to Hawgeye
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the gap would continue to widen as the years go on if Arkansas continues at its 18 win per season average,
Your win% gap would decrease as 18W per season would be less than your current win%
Posted on 3/8/17 at 12:37 pm to GenesChin
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I definitely agree, I just don't think you can say UF > Arkansas as a program quite yet. I think it is a better job going forward though if that makes sense.
I'm not going to argue, the all time ranking isn't a huge concern to me. There wasn't much to write home about before the mid-90's, the fact that we are even having this conversation would have been laughable 20 years ago. Donovan did something that very few, if any, thought possible.
This post was edited on 3/8/17 at 12:38 pm
Posted on 3/8/17 at 12:39 pm to GenesChin
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I definitely agree, I just don't think you can say UF > Arkansas as a program quite yet. I think it is a better job going forward though if that makes sense.
This is fair, Arkansas definitely has enough talent for good/great coaches to have success here. Coaches just need to do a better job of keeping in state.
Posted on 3/8/17 at 12:52 pm to Hawgeye
Ole miss 
Posted on 3/8/17 at 12:54 pm to TomRollTideRitter
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Big six in both big two sports.
Florida and LSU have a good case too
Pretty sure we're on the cusp of Big 6, if not in it, for baseball. Second in regular season titles (14), tied for second in tournament titles (7), and two CWS runner ups. We were so close in 1983 (lost to Texas in extra innings, then lost by 1 in the follow up game). Ah well.
We owe a lot of our basketball numbers to the Wimp era. Never made it past the Sweet 16, but we made it so often to it that I just came to expect it. 6 Sweet 16 appearances in 12 seasons, and won 5 SEC conference tournaments. Never got over that Sweet 16 hump, but dude was a machine. Over a quarter of our wins came during that stretch.
Oh, and in basketball, winning records over all SEC teams except Kentucky (duh, they own us like everyone else), Arkansas (28-31) and a .500 record against Vanderbilt.
Posted on 3/8/17 at 1:02 pm to Jadeveon Malzahn
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1. Kentucky 17
2. Arkansas 6
3. Florida 5
4. LSU 4
T5. Mississippi St./Georgia 1
That's pitiful.
Posted on 3/8/17 at 1:21 pm to bigpapamac
OH Fricken NO
Bama you do not get to say LF "played bad" in "the big games" (which isn't true except for the 2 Bama games) to imply he isn't good, then use your overall wins/win % to imply you have some lofty staus as a basketball team when you have absolutely sucked in all the big games.
1 elite eight, no final 4 = sucked in big games
Bama you do not get to say LF "played bad" in "the big games" (which isn't true except for the 2 Bama games) to imply he isn't good, then use your overall wins/win % to imply you have some lofty staus as a basketball team when you have absolutely sucked in all the big games.
1 elite eight, no final 4 = sucked in big games
Posted on 3/8/17 at 1:44 pm to skrayper
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Pretty sure we're on the cusp of Big 6, if not in it, for baseball. Second in regular season titles (14), tied for second in tournament titles (7), and two CWS runner ups. We were so close in 1983 (lost to Texas in extra innings, then lost by 1 in the follow up game). Ah well.
I heard a stat that UF has more SEC wins than anyone in baseball. I am going to look it up to see if true. We were never much in any sports until integration. Bunch of cracker arse beach bums.
Posted on 3/8/17 at 2:55 pm to PurpleandGeauld
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PurpleandGeauld
SEC Basketball Programs ranked by all time win pct. & all time wins through 2017 by PurpleandGeauld
OH Fricken NO
Bama you do not get to say LF "played bad" in "the big games" (which isn't true except for the 2 Bama games) to imply he isn't good, then use your overall wins/win % to imply you have some lofty staus as a basketball team when you have absolutely sucked in all the big games.
1 elite eight, no final 4 = sucked in big games
I love you man
Posted on 3/8/17 at 2:56 pm to Hawgeye
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1. Kentucky: 76.4%(Top Nationally)
2. Arkansas: 64.1%(Top 17 Nationally)
3. Alabama: 61.7%(Top 40 Nationally)
Big 3
Posted on 3/8/17 at 2:58 pm to coachcrisp
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Hell, the same thing applies in football,too...only we're first in both wins and %. While you're at it look at baseball, too. You'll find Alabama right there around the top....and people question which school has the best all-time SEC sports program.
Funny how (actual) national titles in every other sport but football don't matter to y'all.
Posted on 3/8/17 at 3:08 pm to Drewbie
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Yet have made noise in the tournament
Print the shirts?
Posted on 3/8/17 at 3:22 pm to bgator85
quote:Except 2 national titles does not a program make. This is about body of work all-time for the programs. Florida is not #2.
whether we are looking at the last 20 years or the last 100, we still have 2 national titles
Posted on 3/8/17 at 3:31 pm to CoachDon
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The 20 year gap with UK and Arkansas was in the early 1900's.
Between 1900 and 1920, teams played an average of like 9-10 games a year. UK played a total of 183 games in that 20 year span.
For UK to still be that far ahead of Arkansas in total wind is mind blowing. You could have gone undefeated from 1900-1920 and the gap would still be huge.
Kentucky has played nearly 400 more games than Arkansas. 243 of those came before Arkansas had a program.
Arkansas didn't start basketball until 1923-24. Not 1920.
I don't think anyone is saying that the gap would not be big. You brought that up.
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