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re: SEC 4-1 in bowl games, 3 SEC teams play today, why it matters
Posted on 1/1/20 at 10:04 am to paper tiger
Posted on 1/1/20 at 10:04 am to paper tiger
I live in IL now because of work. I don’t want to hear about the BIG 10. SEC all the way.
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Posted on 1/1/20 at 10:06 am to paper tiger
It would be cool to be able to say LSU beat:
Sugar Bowl Winner
Orange Bowl Winner
Fiesta Bowl Winner
Citrus Bowl Winner
Outback Bowl Winner
To go along with the off brand bowl winners like whatever bowl Texas and Texas A&M played in.
Sugar Bowl Winner
Orange Bowl Winner
Fiesta Bowl Winner
Citrus Bowl Winner
Outback Bowl Winner
To go along with the off brand bowl winners like whatever bowl Texas and Texas A&M played in.
Posted on 1/1/20 at 10:07 am to CheerWhine
I agree. I pull for everyone except Bama and A&M. We directly recruit against these guys and mostly just “frick Them”
Posted on 1/1/20 at 10:10 am to paper tiger
I'm am LSU fan, not an SEC fan. It's genetically impossible for me to pull for Florida, aggee, or Bama without there being an immediate and direct positive impact on LSU's fortunes.
And Georgia is pretty much working their way into that group too.
SEC recruiting is a zero-sum game.
And Georgia is pretty much working their way into that group too.
SEC recruiting is a zero-sum game.
Posted on 1/1/20 at 10:14 am to paper tiger
That was long and I have went away from pulling for SEC teams but I’m swinging back to it today. If the 3 sec teams win today the final poll could be:
1. LSU
2. Clemson
3. Ohio St
4. Georgia
5. Florida
6. Oklahoma
7. Alabama
8. Auburn
Note: Oregon or Wisconsin could be in the top 7 also. Maybe Penn St.
That would mean LSU beat 6 of the top 7 after them this year or at worse 6 of the top 9 after them. They already have an argument for best team ever, but that would provide plenty of fuel for the fire.
1. LSU
2. Clemson
3. Ohio St
4. Georgia
5. Florida
6. Oklahoma
7. Alabama
8. Auburn
Note: Oregon or Wisconsin could be in the top 7 also. Maybe Penn St.
That would mean LSU beat 6 of the top 7 after them this year or at worse 6 of the top 9 after them. They already have an argument for best team ever, but that would provide plenty of fuel for the fire.
Posted on 1/1/20 at 10:18 am to Jrv2damac
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Where the hell do you people get this bullshite?
By your posting history, I see insulting people out of the box is your method of operation. I don’t really get the fun in that. You must enjoy putting people down for some reason, maybe it makes you feel better about yourself, I don’t know., I don’t really get the angry guy on message board thing.
If you want to debate, make a point without insults and your opinion might carry more weight.
To my point, if the SEC has a losing record against any conference in bowl games this year, some members on the committee will use that next year to argue the conferences are equal. I don’t know why you think that is bs, it’s actually discussed all the time.
Posted on 1/1/20 at 10:19 am to paper tiger
wow what a well thought out and reasonable post.
Posted on 1/1/20 at 10:19 am to paper tiger
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But if next year an 11-1 LSU is up against an 11-1 Michigan or 11-1 Ohio State for the final playoff berth, you would not want Michigan to have beaten Bama the year before
Yes, do you actually believe, that if the committee is picking between a 1 loss LSU and 1 loss Ohio State teams that did not win their divisions, they won't look at what the teams did in 2020, but instead will make the decision based on who won the Citrus Bowl the previous season
Posted on 1/1/20 at 10:22 am to memphis tiger
quote:There's another side to this. I've heard more than one recruit say that they wanted to play in the SEC because it's the best conference. So SEC success helps LSU recruit top players. It works both ways.
Those other SEC teams winning only helps them in recruiting. This is potentially detrimental to LSU.
Posted on 1/1/20 at 10:26 am to paper tiger
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I get that for sure. But if next year an 11-1 LSU is up against an 11-1 Michigan or 11-1 Ohio State for the final playoff berth, you would not want Michigan to have beaten Bama the year before.
Frick off with this dumb shite. When has the committee ever looked at the previous season's bowls (or anything for that matter) when determining who gets in? And if 11-1 LSU is the defending National Champion, or even simply the runner-up, why would they give the nod to a Michigan team that beat a 2-loss Bama in the Citrus Bowl?
This has to be the dumbest reason for rooting for the entire conference, and that's saying something.
War Eagle...Go Dawgs...RTWFU!
This post was edited on 1/1/20 at 10:28 am
Posted on 1/1/20 at 10:30 am to paper tiger
There are 2 problems with the SEC in bowl games generally:
1) Notice how it's always acc #3 vs SEC #75? The way the bowls work out never have an equal pecking order playing each other.
B) This is hard to quantify, but the SEC suffers from teams not giving a rat's arse in their bowl game. What I mean by this is teams where shooting for the moon, didn't make it, and now are playing in the toilet bowl against an upstart school that is trying to win the biggest game in school history against a "name" opponent. (see defending 2017 national champ UFC vs auburn).
Bowls are a tough barometer to gauge with, because you have different levels of motivation between the teams playing most times.
1) Notice how it's always acc #3 vs SEC #75? The way the bowls work out never have an equal pecking order playing each other.
B) This is hard to quantify, but the SEC suffers from teams not giving a rat's arse in their bowl game. What I mean by this is teams where shooting for the moon, didn't make it, and now are playing in the toilet bowl against an upstart school that is trying to win the biggest game in school history against a "name" opponent. (see defending 2017 national champ UFC vs auburn).
Bowls are a tough barometer to gauge with, because you have different levels of motivation between the teams playing most times.
Posted on 1/1/20 at 10:30 am to H-Town Tiger
The narrative and perception builds over time, and the narrative matters.
CFB used to be a pure beauty contest, with the NC determined only by a national discussion. So you had schools with lots of alumni in positions to drive the narrative winning lots of polls - Notre Dame, USC, Michigan.
The SEC would constantly complain about beating each other up and not being able to go undefeated, but it fell on deaf ears.
Once the NC started being determined on the field, even with a one game playoff, the SEC has started dominating and proving that even a 1 or 2 loss SEC champ is better than a pretty undefeated team from a weak conference.
Although we have the final result determined on the field now, who gets a chance to play is still a narrative driven process, and it's important that SEC teams play well outside the conference so that future teams will get consideration even with losses.
CFB used to be a pure beauty contest, with the NC determined only by a national discussion. So you had schools with lots of alumni in positions to drive the narrative winning lots of polls - Notre Dame, USC, Michigan.
The SEC would constantly complain about beating each other up and not being able to go undefeated, but it fell on deaf ears.
Once the NC started being determined on the field, even with a one game playoff, the SEC has started dominating and proving that even a 1 or 2 loss SEC champ is better than a pretty undefeated team from a weak conference.
Although we have the final result determined on the field now, who gets a chance to play is still a narrative driven process, and it's important that SEC teams play well outside the conference so that future teams will get consideration even with losses.
Posted on 1/1/20 at 10:30 am to paper tiger
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There are five major conferences and the other conferences want the committee to look at conference champions. This year, had LSU lost to Georgia in the SEC championship game, conference champions from the Big 12 and Pac conferences would have likely stayed home in favor of two SEC teams going, Georgia and LSU
Maybe.
The only program from the sec to benefit from the "strength of the conference" has been bama with the two at large bids ( 1 bcs and 1 CFP ) . I hesitate to say if non Alabama programs would get the same treatment.
So honestly I could give two shits about if the sec teams win or if bama beats Michigan. When has it actually ever helped LSU?
Posted on 1/1/20 at 10:30 am to paper tiger
Buck fama
Posted on 1/1/20 at 10:34 am to Cowboyfan89
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Frick off with this dumb shite.
Where do all you name calling, angrymen posters on here come from?
Sheesh. What’s the point in starting off your argument with an insult? Seriously.
There are members of the committee with connections to other conferences. They will use any possible argument they can to push that the other conferences have caught the SEC, bowl games too. Why is that such an outrageous thought that invites a frick you post?
I just don’t get the rude angry man thing on here.
Posted on 1/1/20 at 10:40 am to paper tiger
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So I will be pulling for Bama
quote:Michigan is such a pretender. Bama will crush.
As much as I hate Bama, i don’t want to hear Big 10 fans crowing if Michigan beats Bama
Posted on 1/1/20 at 10:47 am to Jabontik
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, who gets a chance to play is still a narrative driven process, and it's important that SEC teams play well outside the conference
Clemson has been in the playoff 5 of 6 years.What is the narrative about the ACC?Ohio State made the playoff without winning their division. The year before the B1G was 6-6 in bowls. It's about the team. In 2016-17 the SEC was 6-7 in bowls the following year 2 SEC teams were in the playoff. Last year the SEC was 6-6, worse than both the ACC and B1G, did that affect how those conferences are viewed this year? The SEC is the best conference, no one disputes that. Its because more schools prioritize football, and there is more talent in the south. This idea that if Alabama or Auburn lose a bowl game it could hurt that view is so silly to me, there is literally no evidence for it at all.
ETA: I also do not understand this obsession that on the off chance LSU goes 11-1 we could make the playoff. If we win the SEC we will be in for sure, me, i'm willing to not be the 2nd SEC team than have to face a team we've already beaten. This particular season, it wouldn't matter, even if we had to face Bama again, but this is the exception
This post was edited on 1/1/20 at 10:51 am
Posted on 1/1/20 at 10:49 am to paper tiger
I get your reasoning, but recruitment is more important.
I don't hate UGA, but Auburn and Bama can EAD. I will always support Bama's opponent. Even if it's Pakistan University.
RTWFU
I don't hate UGA, but Auburn and Bama can EAD. I will always support Bama's opponent. Even if it's Pakistan University.
RTWFU
Posted on 1/1/20 at 10:55 am to eelsuee
I want Bama, Florida, Auburn to all finish top 10 so LSU can claim it beat at least 6 teams rated in the top 10 in the final polls.
Posted on 1/1/20 at 10:55 am to Jabontik
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The narrative and perception builds over time, and the narrative matters.
CFB used to be a pure beauty contest, with the NC determined only by a national discussion. So you had schools with lots of alumni in positions to drive the narrative winning lots of polls - Notre Dame, USC, Michigan.
The SEC would constantly complain about beating each other up and not being able to go undefeated, but it fell on deaf ears.
[quote]Once the NC started being determined on the field, even with a one game playoff, the SEC has started dominating and proving that even a 1 or 2 loss SEC champ is better than a pretty undefeated team from a weak conference.
Although we have the final result determined on the field now, who gets a chance to play is still a narrative driven process, and it's important that SEC teams play well outside the conference so that future teams will get consideration even with losses.
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This post was edited on 1/1/20 at 10:59 am
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