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re: Seahawks fire Ryan Grubb

Posted on 1/6/25 at 3:39 pm to
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
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Posted on 1/6/25 at 3:39 pm to
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who do you expect to be at QB next season and do you expect the offense to be better?


I do not have an educated guess. My sneaking suspicion is that the staff (whether Grubb is on it or not) wants Russell to come in and blow them away (like I think they believe he will) and give him the job. Just from reading the way he talks about their conversations with him and general scouting reports, he seems to clearly have the physical and mental attributes that DeBoer wants in a QB in terms of seeing the field, making quick decisions, spreading it around, etc. Now, he'd be a true freshman, so there would obviously be some growing pains there (especially with an early schedule that goes @ FSU, Wisconsin, @ UGA).

I have no opinion on Simpson. He's clearly got some talent, but the fact that they never seemed to seriously consider playing him has to be concerning even if you are of the opinion that DeBoer felt like he had to play Milroe. My personal opinion is that Simpson needed to be close to a sure thing to supplant Milroe at some point, and he wasn't that. Doesn't mean he can't be serviceable, but I have no clue. Mack is kind of the wild card here, because he clearly has unreal tools, but I don't know how close he really is to being ready to play.

As for the offense next year - I think the offense will look more like DeBoer's offenses of the past decade with either one of them. 2 straight staffs have decided that Jalen simply cannot make specific types of throws (screens, quick throws wide, slants) without a level of risk they are not willing to take. Those things were big parts of DeBoer's schemes at Washington and I have to assume they'd return. I'm not sure our offense will be "better" in terms of aggregate numbers (we were #21 in FEI, #23 in PPG, #23 in YPP), but I'm guessing it will be more consistent. And if Russell plays and is who people seem to think he is, by the end of the year it could be more consistent and explosive (big ifs). We had games where our offense was unstoppable (Georgia, Wisconsin, LSU) and we had games where it was as bad as any offense we've put on the field since 2006 (Oklahoma, Michigan). I don't think we'll see either of those next year with Simpson or Russell. And the bigger issue with Milroe beyond not seeing receivers when they are wide open was turnovers. We lost 3 games this year where we handed the other team double digit points on turnovers (Vandy, Oklahoma, Michigan) and another where we easily could have (Auburn) - most of which were on Jalen for bad decisions or lack of awareness. That sort of stuff cannot happen.


My personal opinion is that with what we are bringing back on defense (almost everyone outside of Malachi and Campbell from a defense that was legitimately very good the last 1/2 of the season) that we start Russell and roll with it (assuming they think he can handle the mental aspect and he comes in and looks the part). Give him the whole offense, let him take some lumps, hope the defense can hold their own until he's in the flow of things and put your stamp on the offensive side of the ball. We punted on truly implementing his offensive system this season when they decided Jalen would continue being the guy - for better or worse. I don't think you can waste another year with QB bingo.
This post was edited on 1/6/25 at 3:44 pm
Posted by Kool Kaliper
Mansfield, TX
Member since Nov 2018
3526 posts
Posted on 1/6/25 at 3:40 pm to
Geno did better than half the QBs in the league, check the stats.
Posted by jangalang
Member since Dec 2014
52670 posts
Posted on 1/6/25 at 3:47 pm to
That's more of an indictment on the NFL product than anything.

Geno isnt a good QB.
Posted by Bigdawgb
Member since Oct 2023
4016 posts
Posted on 1/6/25 at 3:48 pm to
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If you have a qb that one week throws for 400 yards against Georgia and then the next week turns the ball over 3 times and cant get a first down, you are at the mercy of which version shows up.


You're not wrong man the version of Milroe were like Yu-Gi-Oh Yami Yugi vs. regular Yugi. I have no idea how he produced that first half against us.
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
105802 posts
Posted on 1/6/25 at 3:50 pm to
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it seems like nothing was done to help him fit into the new offense and no other QB behind him pushed him as starter.


As for this part, I'm just not sure what else there was to do for him. I wish we'd run more straight QB run stuff and less read option because I think that is when he is at his best running the ball, but other than that I'm just not sure what you can call against a good run defense that he is comfortable with. And you also are never sure when he is going to mentally kind of shut down or not, so you have a gameplan that may work one week and then may be worthless after 2 possessions another week.

As somebody who sits in the end zone and sees the game from basically the All-22 film angle, it was incredible to see how many guys ran around open for 2 straight seasons and were never even considered for throws. And every game (under both staffs) you would see new options laid out to try and make it easier for him ----- I've never seen more RBs in the flat without a man within 15 yards of him than this past season. And Jalen almost never threw the ball over there, because he'd back peddle and then run around and either throw it away and run for 2 yards. He's just a very unique guy with physical traits that almost seem to contradict themselves. When it's all clicking he's truly a nearly unstoppable football player, but that didn't happen very often. And when he's not sure and his mind isn't in the right place it's as bad as bad can get.
This post was edited on 1/6/25 at 3:52 pm
Posted by Kool Kaliper
Mansfield, TX
Member since Nov 2018
3526 posts
Posted on 1/6/25 at 3:55 pm to
That's your opinion, his stats says otherwise and if it was so easy why are you on here instead of playing the league.
Posted by paperwasp
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Member since Sep 2014
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Posted on 1/6/25 at 3:57 pm to
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Are yall okay with the number of RB carries last season?

We are in a new era.

SoG has already provided very good in-depth answers so I won't bore you with my similar takes, but I did watch a lot of Washington film during the off-season trying to learn his scheme, and I can tell you that what we saw this year was probably only a very small percentage of DeBoer's offense, which has a hot check that theoretically allows any play call to work against any defense — Milroe would've had to make the right check, the right read, and execute that throw (Pennix usually could). BTW, when is the last time Milroe even attempted to throw a slant?

On the ground one of his staples is constant offensive line movement, with good old-school pin and pull action. He combines this with a modified (Tennessee) wide-split style, out of stack and bunch.

Effectively what this causes is the defensive line to get so beat down and gassed early by motions, pulls, traps, screens, etc., that by the second half they've stopped getting penetration and are turning and looking for the ball at the snap, which is when you should start seeing huge running lanes opening up.

An issue is that in this first year most of the guys DeBoer inherited are road-grader types, whereas he actually needs smaller, quicker, faster linemen that can move to execute his ground-game offense effectively.

In other words, there's only so much you can scheme around. Just one of those personnel things that's a work in progress.

Or at least I hope all of the above is the case. We'll see when he gets his preferred guys in place.
Posted by BFANLC
The Beach
Member since Oct 2007
23793 posts
Posted on 1/6/25 at 3:57 pm to
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He will go to Bama and then Milroe will return to be developed into a pocket passer


Would think lsu fans would be tired of seeing Milroe.
Posted by CR4090
Member since Apr 2023
9101 posts
Posted on 1/6/25 at 4:01 pm to
Bringing Pete back.
Posted by HarryBalzack
Member since Oct 2012
16355 posts
Posted on 1/6/25 at 4:01 pm to
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He will go to Bama
Something tells me his wife is a hard pass on Bama. Search for Stephanie Millender-Grubb

Posted by jangalang
Member since Dec 2014
52670 posts
Posted on 1/6/25 at 4:08 pm to
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That's your opinion, his stats says otherwise and if it was so easy why are you on here instead of playing the league.

He is a mid that brought mediocrity to Seattle.



The why am I not playing QB in the league part is nuts. The QB position isnt diluted enough for heifers playing QB. Getting there though! You do realize Bama fans talk about Milroe as if he cannot make a read but he will probably get drafted earlier than later in the draft?
Posted by NWLA_Bama
Member since Aug 2024
1583 posts
Posted on 1/6/25 at 4:09 pm to
You two must have kissed at midnight this new year's eve. It's okay girl, it's 2025, that stuff is okay now a days.
This post was edited on 1/6/25 at 4:22 pm
Posted by dalefla
Central FL
Member since Jul 2024
3993 posts
Posted on 1/6/25 at 4:14 pm to
Hyphenated last name is all you need to know about her. She and Tuscaloosa are not a good match.
Posted by SidewalkTiger
Midwest, USA
Member since Dec 2019
69360 posts
Posted on 1/6/25 at 4:14 pm to
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Would think lsu fans would be tired of seeing Milroe.


Maybe not if he stays in the pocket
Posted by FoTownBam
Foley Al
Member since Oct 2023
4576 posts
Posted on 1/6/25 at 4:31 pm to
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Posted by FoTownBam
Foley Al
Member since Oct 2023
4576 posts
Posted on 1/6/25 at 4:33 pm to
quote:

Something tells me his wife is a hard pass on Bama. Search for Stephanie Millender-Grubb

I don’t see any reason we couldn’t find him another wife?
Posted by jangalang
Member since Dec 2014
52670 posts
Posted on 1/6/25 at 4:40 pm to
lol
Posted by Opry
Member since Oct 2023
5581 posts
Posted on 1/6/25 at 4:41 pm to
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it's 2025, that stuff is okay now a days.
Don't be a cuck to women and sell your soul to pussy. You'll never be a real man doing that.
Posted by Chalkywhite84
New orleans
Member since Dec 2016
34270 posts
Posted on 1/6/25 at 4:51 pm to
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one of the most false phrases of all time. Right up there with pussy is undefeated


How is that false?
Posted by Kool Kaliper
Mansfield, TX
Member since Nov 2018
3526 posts
Posted on 1/7/25 at 8:26 am to
If Geno was mid, I'm sure he wouldn't make an NFL roster annually, he would be playing in the CFL or the other mid-tier leagues. It's easy for arm-chair QBs to call people mid, especially the ones that never played. I will judge him off his stats not opinions.
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