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re: Saban is 100% right
Posted on 9/9/25 at 10:17 pm to p226
Posted on 9/9/25 at 10:17 pm to p226
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I'm not avoiding shite. I'm stating some pretty simple facts of the matter here.
You never answered my question. Are you still watching CJ Daniels, AJ Swann, and Kylin Jackson?
Or are you just watching their replacements in the LSU jersey
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Posted on 9/9/25 at 10:41 pm to SoFla Tideroller
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What law is preventing a group of businessmen like Lamar Hunt, Bud Adams and the other AFL founders from coming along and starting an 18-21 yr old league? Why can't that happen?
I already told you that. A group of politically connected businessmen DID that. They grew college football into a profitable league of 18-21 year old football players, secured television contracts, sold licensing deals to video game companies, kept ALL the money. refused to pay the employees, and the NFL colluded with them to bar kids from THEIR league -- in effect extending their monopoly to the NCAA.
It's called "NCAA Football", you've been watching it your whole life.
Could a rival league of 18-21 year old football players be created? Sure. They'd be competing with the farm system of a monopoly with federal protection from anti-trust laws.
No successful businessman invests money to compete against federally protected incumbents.
Posted on 9/9/25 at 10:44 pm to captdalton
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You never answered my question. Are you still watching CJ Daniels, AJ Swann, and Kylin Jackson?
Or are you just watching their replacements in the LSU jersey
Scroll up 2 posts. I LITERALLY answered your question.
DAMN!!!!
Posted on 9/9/25 at 10:48 pm to p226
In other words, you have no answer. No one and no thing ever prevented some sharp businessmen from exploiting this vacuum in the sports entertainment market.
By your reasoning, somehow the NFL was telling the entertainment and sports consumer, "If you watch our games, you are not allowed to watch games of that upstart 18-21 yr old league." Do you see how stupid your argument is?
By your reasoning, somehow the NFL was telling the entertainment and sports consumer, "If you watch our games, you are not allowed to watch games of that upstart 18-21 yr old league." Do you see how stupid your argument is?
Posted on 9/9/25 at 10:50 pm to SoFla Tideroller
Are you still watching former LSU players at other schools?
Posted on 9/9/25 at 10:55 pm to jchamil
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XFL and USFL
"Attorneys for the U.S.F.L., which had sought as much as $1.69 billion in damages, succeeded in proving only that the N.F.L. had a monopoly power ''to control prices or exclude competition'' in the ''relevant market'' of professional football in the United States."
They won, but got damages of $1.
LINK
Posted on 9/9/25 at 10:58 pm to p226
Should Alabama bill back their billionaire former players?
Posted on 9/9/25 at 11:05 pm to SoFla Tideroller
I see how weak your reading comprehension is. How stubborn and myopic your view of the world is. I see your reliance on ad hominem attacks. I see your knack for missing the point.
Posted on 9/9/25 at 11:13 pm to p226
Just to be clear, it was triple damages. So $3.
Posted on 9/9/25 at 11:26 pm to AUTubaHerd
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Sounds like you’re describing Nick Saban.
The guy who turned down even more money to coach at Notre Dame and Texas? That guy?
Posted on 9/9/25 at 11:29 pm to DyeHardDylan
I am good with tearing our stadium down and moving to FCS and completely doing away with giving money to players. I don't enjoy watching a bunch of punk arse thugs who shouldn't be in college anyway. Having a player spit on another player is so ridiculous it's hard to even comprehend for college athletes. These are supposed to be smart young men, and they need to go back and start over in kindergarten it seems.
The money has screwed everything up just like I knew it would.
I don't watch NFL football. That is for city folks who work a union job.
The money has screwed everything up just like I knew it would.
I don't watch NFL football. That is for city folks who work a union job.
Posted on 9/9/25 at 11:34 pm to DyeHardDylan
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I’m sure kids grew up wanting to play for Ohio State and Michigan, but it’s truly not the same.
Chris Spielman would like a word. And yes in the Midwest those were homewrecker types of decisions. Where I lived in Pullman, WA for a bit back in the 90’s, recruits and their entourage would get in tribal warfare over whether or not Player X was gonna go to Oregon or Washington. And this was well before the give Nike dollars you see in today’s game.
In the southeast I know that college FB is the end all be all, but it’s pretty intense in other parts of the country as well. There’s a reason the big ten started getting pissed at the SEC. They have a long and storied history that is parallel to the SEC. That’s why it’s an arms race now between those two conferences
This post was edited on 9/9/25 at 11:35 pm
Posted on 9/9/25 at 11:55 pm to DyeHardDylan
Loyalty and tradition mean nothing anymore. All the kids have sold out and become mercenaries. Can't say I blame them, it's big money, but it's still very sad.
Posted on 9/9/25 at 11:58 pm to bigDgator
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college athletes. These are supposed to be smart young men
Not where I went to college. Athletes who also excel in the classroom are the exception, not the rule.
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That is for city folks who work a union job.
I'm always surprised by what people say here.
Posted on 9/9/25 at 11:59 pm to Opry
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only way some of these players leave the south is $$$$$$. NIL is the Big10s way of being able to compete.
No. Just no. Players have been traversing the country for decades, going to different schools in different regions of America. California has historically lost high recruits to Michigan, Ohio State, Michigan State, Penn State and Wisconsin. It’s because those states have some large metropolitan areas not far from campuses. And there are only so many scholarships for USC, Arizona, ASU, Stanford (which you need a high GPA to sustain eligibility anyway), and UCLA. Outside of USCw, those other schools listed have huge metropolitan areas areas too, but the fandom is nonexistent when it comes to CFB. There’s a lot of other shite to do out there. In the southeast, football has always been linked to the rural/country folks and that’s just the way it is.
Up North in the Midwest, the rural folks are not that far removed from the southern rural folks, and football has been passed down from generations to the youth. The Midwest is in many ways, similar culturally to the southeast. Why do you think politically most of the Midwest is red? Same with the southeast? The coastal elite types are the pro league types only. They are the ones who show a great disdain for rural/country folks. But unfortunately they control all of the networks and tv revenue as well.
Posted on 9/10/25 at 6:04 am to DyeHardDylan
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Every kid in the southeast grew up wanting to play for an SEC school. Since Reconstruction really, college football has been a part of our cultural zeitgeist. I’m sure kids grew up wanting to play for Ohio State and Michigan, but it’s truly not the same. None of that matters anymore because of the disturbing NFL-ization and corruption in the sport. These kids bounce around colleges and shop around without any sense of loyalty or allegiance. They’re leaving college and going to the pros still acting like children. Lost in all of this is the sense of school culture, pride in an academic institution, and respect/trust in others that made college football so special. If there are no boundaries or legal parameters put on NIL and the transfer portal, it’s going to continue to get ugly. This is not a system set up to help young, impressionable people succeed in life, which is what college is supposed to be.
Young people who voluntarily believe they can make a living at pro football or basketball without completing their initial college degrees are on a different track. As a percentage of a university’s total student population, however, this group is very, very small. The great majority of SEC university students are still there to get their business or engineering, or other degrees.
I would argue that a university that keeps up its sports teams at a high level helps to keep its students happy, and its alumni involved with and feeling good about their university through the years. Which leads to a lot of alumni donations back to their schools during life, and at death with will and trust bequests. Such alumni donations often also support the university’s educational programs.
At least college kids who play football get some money now from NIL for putting their bodies on the line for the benefit of their schools. If they save their NIL money and they later get injured, or can’t make it in the pros, they at least have some funds which they can use to help complete their college educations or job training if they wish.
This post was edited on 9/10/25 at 6:06 am
Posted on 9/10/25 at 7:03 am to scottydoesntknow
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If it were still glorified frat boys playing the game, stadiums would still be packed, like they were in the early days of CFB...when it was glorified frat boys playing. The market was never the players, it was the teams. Otherwise ESPN would be showing track meets of athletes running fast and jumping high, not football.
I disagree with this... but you are not entirely wrong.
When football was "glorified frat boys"... there was no real pro football. So people watched.
For the last 70 years or so... colleges have had to have a product where the athleticism is a reasonable facsimile to the pro level to maintain fan interest.
Simply put... CFB has to have real athletes out there and not intramural level dudes to maintain fan interest. That athleticism requirement is why young and middle aged white dudes are willing to watch a bunch of young black dudes play college football. Because they are actual athletes.
So yes... a lot of fan interest is "good 'ole college U"... but it isn't just that anymore.
Posted on 9/10/25 at 7:26 am to DyeHardDylan
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These kids bounce around colleges and shop around without any sense of loyalty or allegiance.
Didn't Saban and pretty much every coach in football do the same thing? Saban bounced around alot programs before he eventually ended up in Alabama. If coaches go around searching for jobs /money to better thier situation than why should it be any different college students?
Posted on 9/10/25 at 7:34 am to DyeHardDylan
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None of that matters anymore because of the disturbing NFL-ization and corruption in the sport. These kids bounce around colleges and shop around without any sense of loyalty or allegiance.
Then why have SEC schools recruited nationwide? Alabama had four Heisman winners in the Saban era and not one was from Alabama.
The fans want all this loyalty, but LSU isn’t going to sign a three star out of Baton Rouge over a five star from Los Angeles.
The fans want players to sacrifice for a program, but the program sure as shite isn’t going to sacrifice for a player.
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This is not a system set up to help young, impressionable people succeed in life, which is what college is supposed to be.
Okay.
Reduce the coaching salaries to comparable to that of a professor, take all the games off TV, only sign students who actually belong in college, and let the chips fall where they may in terms of winning and losing.
Then maybe we can talk about how college football is supposed to help the personal development of young men today.
The problem with fans is they want everything at the same time. They want NFL talent with the loyalty of Captain America that’s content living in dorms while everyone around them makes big money or receives massive entertainment.
The amateur model of college football was never sustainable. Eventually too much money busted the dam. For better or worse, it will never be the same again - and those of us who grew up in the 20th century knew it was inevitable. And it’s here now. So either watch it for what it is or turn off the TV.
This post was edited on 9/10/25 at 7:40 am
Posted on 9/10/25 at 7:39 am to Gunga Din
I dont think this is correct at all. People who love college football have an attachment to these programs and the level of athlete is irrelevant.
If every year we took the top 200 or so recruits and put them into some kind of nfl minor league, and college football got the rest, college football's ratings and attendance would be fine but literally no one would watch the minor league teams and those players would probably make like $20k per year.
I think a lot of us would rather get rid of the future nfl players entirely rather than stick on the current trajectory college football is on.
If every year we took the top 200 or so recruits and put them into some kind of nfl minor league, and college football got the rest, college football's ratings and attendance would be fine but literally no one would watch the minor league teams and those players would probably make like $20k per year.
I think a lot of us would rather get rid of the future nfl players entirely rather than stick on the current trajectory college football is on.
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