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re: Political influence on the LSU admin?

Posted on 9/10/26 at 12:11 pm to
Posted by SidewalkTiger
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Posted on 9/10/26 at 12:11 pm to
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If that includes all the judges, that worry would be pretty reasonable, competitively.


The SEC always has the threat of penalties, up to expulsion though, should anything flagrant actually occur.

The SEC bylaws are pretty clear in that a school can be ejected at any time for basically anything. The bylaws also give the SEC broad latitude over penalties and penalty enforcement.

It seems as if the SEC isn't confident in that arena, though. They've gone straight to the end option, without a violation even occurring. That looks extremely irresponsible in my opinion.

An authoritative body should never immediately go to the "nuclear option" at the first sign of any compliance issue.
Posted by lsufball19
Franklin, TN
Member since Sep 2008
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Posted on 9/10/26 at 12:14 pm to
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I am not aware of any other states where there is such interaction between the state and a single football program.

There aren’t many (any?) other states that are pretty much aligned politically across the state who also have a power program in the state that’s also the only power program in the state. It’s a pretty unique situation to be honest.
Posted by Crowknowsbest
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Posted on 9/10/26 at 12:14 pm to
I don’t disagree that this seems to be a premature use of the nuclear threat, but I’m not in the room.

I’m just saying that we aren’t that far from a world where, in the absence of deference to NCAA/SEc rules, a program in a state with a friendly judicial system could effectively operate with no eligibility restrictions at all.
This post was edited on 9/10/26 at 12:16 pm
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 9/10/26 at 12:15 pm to
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If that includes all the judges, that worry would be pretty reasonable, competitively.


oh...you mean like our spurned little sister in Oxford...who is still playing an ineligible player according to Sankeys testimony?


can you show me where LSU has done anything of the sorts?
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
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Posted on 9/10/26 at 12:16 pm to
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I don’t disagree that this seems to be a premature use of the nuclear threat, but I’m not in the room.

I’m just saying that we aren’t that far from a world where, in the absence of deference to NCAA/SEc rules, a school is a state with a friendly judicial system could effectively operate with no eligibility restrictions at all.


far from a World.....

we are there brother!

look at little old Ole Miss and their 38 year old qb
Posted by Crowknowsbest
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Posted on 9/10/26 at 12:17 pm to
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look at little old Ole Miss and their 38 year old qb

I’m not arguing in favor of OM. Quite the opposite, in fact.
Posted by lsufball19
Franklin, TN
Member since Sep 2008
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Posted on 9/10/26 at 12:17 pm to
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I’m just saying that we aren’t that far from a world where, in the absence of deference to NCAA/SEc rules, a program in a state with a friendly judicial system could effectively operate with no eligibility restrictions at all.

Are we not kind of already there for all intents and purposes? More or less, the underlying point of the SEC's federal lawsuit is to hopefully get a ruling to prevent this very thing from remaining a reality
This post was edited on 9/10/26 at 12:18 pm
Posted by H2O Tiger
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Posted on 9/10/26 at 12:18 pm to
11 SEC schools have been found to have had LOIC. LSU is not one of them.
Posted by SidewalkTiger
Member since Dec 2019
75262 posts
Posted on 9/10/26 at 12:18 pm to
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I don’t disagree that this seems to be a premature use of the nuclear threat, but I’m not in the room.

I’m just saying that we aren’t that far from a world where, in the absence of deference to NCAA/SEc rules, a program in a state with a friendly judicial system could effectively operate with no eligibility restrictions at all.


I agree completely with you, however, the NCAA was never viewed as a "fair" governing body because of its selective enforcement. The SEC is walking down that same road now.

You can't argue that you need the power to enforce your rules, when you can't even enforce your rules fairly.
Posted by Crowknowsbest
Member since May 2012
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Posted on 9/10/26 at 12:18 pm to
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Are we not kind of already there for all intents and purposes?

Probably, which would potentially explain the extreme action on the SEC’s part.
Posted by CollegeFBRules
Member since Oct 2008
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Posted on 9/10/26 at 12:19 pm to
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When it comes to boards of state colleges, don't they all have political influence?


They are beholden to their states political leaders and they are wildly political themselves.

This is silly.
Posted by BevoBucks
H-town
Member since Dec 2022
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Posted on 9/10/26 at 12:20 pm to
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I’m just saying that we aren’t that far from a world where, in the absence of deference to NCAA/SEc rules, a program in a state with a friendly judicial system could effectively operate with no eligibility restrictions at all.
And, that's the world the rest of the SEC is desperately trying to hold off until we can split away and form our own collective bargained rules. But, if everyone doesn't stick together, then even that will fall apart, along with the sport itself.

That's why the nuclear option is on the table so early here.
Posted by RT1941
Member since May 2007
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Posted on 9/10/26 at 12:21 pm to
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moneyg
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This is a post referencing “Political Influence” and references quotes that discuss the concern with politicians.
This a different angle and perspective to be considered. This is much deeper than just the SEC being pissed that "LSU didn't break any rules" and Lane pissed off the commissioner. 15 schools + the entire SEC Administration are in lock-step agreement, they are considering kicking out a founding member of this conference, it goes much deeper.
Posted by Crowknowsbest
Member since May 2012
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Posted on 9/10/26 at 12:22 pm to
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You can't argue that you need the power to enforce your rules, when you can't even enforce your rules fairly.

The SEC would argue, reasonably imo, that fair enforcement of eligibility rules is a new obligation on their plate, and it’s too early to judge whether they can do so fairly or not.
Posted by captdalton
Member since Feb 2021
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Posted on 9/10/26 at 12:22 pm to
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I’m just saying that we aren’t that far from a world where, in the absence of deference to NCAA/SEc rules, a program in a state with a friendly judicial system could effectively operate with no eligibility restrictions at all.


That is Landry’s goal.
Posted by SidewalkTiger
Member since Dec 2019
75262 posts
Posted on 9/10/26 at 12:22 pm to
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Are we not kind of already there for all intents and purposes? More or less, the underlying point of the SEC's federal lawsuit is to hopefully get a ruling to prevent this very thing from remaining a reality


The SEC looks somewhat foolish, though, in my opinion, because they aren't enforcing their rules fairly today.

Posted by lsufball19
Franklin, TN
Member since Sep 2008
74234 posts
Posted on 9/10/26 at 12:23 pm to
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And, that's the world the rest of the SEC is desperately trying to hold off until we can split away and form our own collective bargained rules. But, if everyone doesn't stick together, then even that will fall apart, along with the sport itself.

That's why the nuclear option is on the table so early here.

I get your point, but why now? The SEC could have drawn this line in the sand years ago and asked the Federal Court for first amendment protection, but it seems like the SEC was complicit with the dozens of other players who have gained eligibility over the past 5 years through lawsuits in state courts. That's why it's hard to take them seriously TBH. Oh so now they care about being able to enforce eligibility rules. What the hell has everyone been doing prior? If all the conferences had spoken with one another and taken these issues to federal court, maybe they could have reigned in all the bullshite we've been dealing with before it got completely out of hand. But until 2 weeks ago it was always "welp, we'll respect what these state court judges say." Why?
This post was edited on 9/10/26 at 12:25 pm
Posted by SidewalkTiger
Member since Dec 2019
75262 posts
Posted on 9/10/26 at 12:25 pm to
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The SEC would argue, reasonably imo, that fair enforcement of eligibility rules is a new obligation on their plate, and it’s too early to judge whether they can do so fairly or not.


That argument would work great, for a situation like Bediako, which was months ago. How does it work for the players currently in violation of 14.01.01?

The SEC can mount a formidable enough response to keep Wright and Harris from playing in a week's time, but not the rest?
Posted by Crowknowsbest
Member since May 2012
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Posted on 9/10/26 at 12:25 pm to
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Why?

I think the most likely answer is that they were hoping the NCAA would get a more favorable ruling somewhere along the way. The Sorsby ruling probably damaged that hope quite a bit.
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 9/10/26 at 12:26 pm to
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I’m not arguing in favor of OM. Quite the opposite, in fact.


no i get what you are saying and would agree to an extent

but couple things

1) the eligibility thing is a 1 year issue, period
2) the lawsuit really had nothing to do with LSU. it came on the heals of multiple other suits across the country in which an injunction was granted. You can argue Kiffin encouraged it etc...whatever, there is no proof of that.

3) the sec was warned if they passed that rule, they would be named in the lawsuit and eventually would be found guilty in civil court and would have to pay. They never would have been named in the suit and Sankey would not have had to make a fool of himself on the stand

4) LSU never said they intended to play the kids. they said they would abided by SEC rules and the courts rulings.


i literally was the main LSU fan on this board screaming this was a bad look and the juice was certainly not worth the squeeze.

But at some point....after Sankey was made a fool of, this became personal for them and they are go strictly off feelings and emotions.

and i fricking despise having to say this...but yes the UT president comes off looking like this is a political stunt. especially with the bs about governor having a role

1) the governor hand picks the BOS
2) they serve at the behest of the governor
3) LSU is the sole p4 school in the state. Of course he will be involved in some way. but to say he orchestrated the whole deal when he was just on radio like 2 days ago and was asking the host questions because he didn't know all the details, is asinine.

i mean you have a point on judges but it was a 1 year thing and the SEC was told, point fricking blank....if you make that rule, you will be named in that lawsuit


now they are going to have to settle. pretty much for whatever those kids want...because the SEC can not afford for any of the behind the scenes stuff to come out in discovery.
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