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re: People complaining about playoff are missing the point
Posted on 11/20/19 at 5:18 pm to Diesel88
Posted on 11/20/19 at 5:18 pm to Diesel88
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The only thing I would change is a conference championship requirement. Cut out all the BS. If you don't win your conference, why should you be given a chance to win the whole thing?
This. It should be a requirement. We don't need a committee. We don't need biased humans deciding who plays for a championship.
Let the games decide.
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Posted on 11/20/19 at 5:18 pm to deeprig9
I hope the next step is, instead of six or eight, they let everyone play their bowls, then pick a top 4 for 3 more games to determine champ.
Posted on 11/20/19 at 5:26 pm to Diesel88
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. If you don't win your conference, why should you be given a chance to win the whole thing?
I agree. They just need to quit lying by claiming they are picking the best teams. At least admit that the goal is the most deserving.
Posted on 11/20/19 at 5:32 pm to AustinKnight
I am conflicted about the requirements.
In every other sport (NFL, NCAABB,etc.), you can absolutely get into the playoffs without winning your Division or Conference. So the case could be made likewise for NCAA football. The issues is the small amount of playoff games contrary to the other sports.
I personally believe it has to be the best 4 teams that have proven it by the onfield performance. Quality losses are BS. Crappy wins are also BS, so beating someone that is ranked at the time is the only thing we have to go on.
The teams don't rank other teams. The same retarded people that think OSU is #1 today also thought UT was #7 on week one. Maybe they are right maybe they are wrong. All we can go by is what each team did when the rankings were assigned and the games were played.
In every other sport (NFL, NCAABB,etc.), you can absolutely get into the playoffs without winning your Division or Conference. So the case could be made likewise for NCAA football. The issues is the small amount of playoff games contrary to the other sports.
I personally believe it has to be the best 4 teams that have proven it by the onfield performance. Quality losses are BS. Crappy wins are also BS, so beating someone that is ranked at the time is the only thing we have to go on.
The teams don't rank other teams. The same retarded people that think OSU is #1 today also thought UT was #7 on week one. Maybe they are right maybe they are wrong. All we can go by is what each team did when the rankings were assigned and the games were played.
Posted on 11/20/19 at 6:18 pm to oneg8rh8r
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In every other sport (NFL, NCAABB,etc.), you can absolutely get into the playoffs without winning your Division or Conference.
There are ways to mimic the NFL, but it would require wholesale changes to the system which is absolutely 100% never going to happen realistically. You'd have to split the power 5 off from the rest of D1, place an even amount of teams in each conference (Big 12 would utilize ungodly amounts of resources to block this), and standardize scheduling.
This.
Won't.
Happen.
For 1000 reasons (bowl games, TV rights, other sports, etc)
Let's keep this thread in the realistic realm of possibilities.
Posted on 11/20/19 at 6:19 pm to deeprig9
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System is not designed to find the four best teams. System is designed to find the two best teams with a margin of error of 100%.
That's a great way to put it.
Posted on 11/20/19 at 8:15 pm to Diesel88
Okay how about this scenario,
Georgia wins the east and beats Florida which is Florida's only loss.
Florida therefore beat FSU who wins the ACC.
Georgia plays Ohio State and beats them.
Ohio State wins the BIG10.
Alabama wins the west and beats LSU.
Alabama beats OKlahoma who wins the Big12.
LSU plays Oregon and wins.
Oregon wins the Pac12
Alabama beats Georgia in the SECCG in triple overtime.
So you are telling me that you would be okay with the playoff being.
1. Alabama
2. FSU Who lost to Florida
3. Oregon Who lost to LSU.
4. Ohio State. Who lost to Georgia.
Georgia wins the east and beats Florida which is Florida's only loss.
Florida therefore beat FSU who wins the ACC.
Georgia plays Ohio State and beats them.
Ohio State wins the BIG10.
Alabama wins the west and beats LSU.
Alabama beats OKlahoma who wins the Big12.
LSU plays Oregon and wins.
Oregon wins the Pac12
Alabama beats Georgia in the SECCG in triple overtime.
So you are telling me that you would be okay with the playoff being.
1. Alabama
2. FSU Who lost to Florida
3. Oregon Who lost to LSU.
4. Ohio State. Who lost to Georgia.
Posted on 11/20/19 at 8:50 pm to oneg8rh8r
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The same retarded people that think OSU is #1 today also thought UT was #7 on week one. Maybe they are right maybe they are wrong. All we can go by is what each team did when the rankings were assigned and the games were played.
So you are saying we should get credit for beating the #7 team when we beat Texas, but if a team beats them now, they don’t even get credit for beating a top 25 team?
Sounds fair.
Posted on 11/20/19 at 10:02 pm to howieshoodlums
Yes. Win your fricking conference.
Posted on 11/20/19 at 10:11 pm to Diesel88
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The only thing I would change is a conference championship requirement. Cut out all the BS. If you don't win your conference, why should you be given a chance to win the whole thing?
Yours is a great post except for this remarkably stupid addition. There are NO rules like this that will not eventually produce a stupid result. Example: LSU goes 11-1 losing to Bama. The loss occurred with LSU leading, in Tuscaloosa, with 30 seconds remaining and with possession. LSU punts. The Bama receiver signals fair catch at his own 10 yard line. LSU defenders head to the sideline, but the Bama returner runs for a TD. The refs did not see the fair catch.
Bama has one loss but wins the tie breaker and loses to a two loss Georgia team in the SEC championship. LSU is ranked #1. Everyone in America knows they got goat screwed in Tuscaloosa. But they are NOT conference champions. Under your scenario, LSU stays home.
And if you don’t like the fair catch scenario, how about what happened to the Saints last season happens to LSU?
Posted on 11/20/19 at 10:12 pm to Diesel88
6 is the perfect number
5 conference champs
1 at large
1 and 2 get a first round bye.
This ensures the regular season matters and that if you win your conference you aren't left out.
You then have the 3 vs 6 and 4 vs 5 games which could be entertaining.
The media still gets to fill what if scenarios with the 6th at large bid and who could be deserving of it, which is really no different then most years of figuring out who gets the 4th spot.
This year youd have
1. LSU
2. OSU
3 vs 6 Clemson vs Alabama
4 vs 5 PAC12 vs Big 12
Who wouldn't watch that?
5 conference champs
1 at large
1 and 2 get a first round bye.
This ensures the regular season matters and that if you win your conference you aren't left out.
You then have the 3 vs 6 and 4 vs 5 games which could be entertaining.
The media still gets to fill what if scenarios with the 6th at large bid and who could be deserving of it, which is really no different then most years of figuring out who gets the 4th spot.
This year youd have
1. LSU
2. OSU
3 vs 6 Clemson vs Alabama
4 vs 5 PAC12 vs Big 12
Who wouldn't watch that?
This post was edited on 11/20/19 at 10:15 pm
Posted on 11/20/19 at 10:37 pm to Diesel88
And they benefit from a week of rest.
Posted on 11/20/19 at 10:42 pm to r2d2
I think it serves a purpose to have that. Remember you have 5 P5s and at least one is left out anyways. Don't think about this year but imagine this scenario: Pac 12 winner is a 10-3 Washinton, Big 12 winner is a 9-4 Texas. ACC winner is 10-3 FSU. SEC winner is a 13-0 Georgia. Florida finishes 11-1 with a 4 point L to UGA, they thump everyone else FSU included. Did you really get the 4 best teams in if you leave UF behind?
This is all bull. The others may have played in a better conference or played a better out of conference schedule. This all subjective. Win your conference or stay at home. Period. You have a chance to take care of your own business. If you don't, blame yourself.
This is all bull. The others may have played in a better conference or played a better out of conference schedule. This all subjective. Win your conference or stay at home. Period. You have a chance to take care of your own business. If you don't, blame yourself.
Posted on 11/20/19 at 10:45 pm to Diesel88
Yeah don’t let the fact that the 4th place team has won the playoff 2 times compared to the #1 teams ZERO times, mean anything.
The fact that every league in every sport in every city, state, or country has a minimum of 20% representation n their playoffs; except 1. NCAA FBS football, and it is 3%. And people are compliant about getting 1 more week of games; that’s 4 games for the shortest season of any major sport. We can’t get to 6% representation??
In 5 years there has been a total 20 playoff spots? 9 schools have claimed those spots. And of those spots 14 have been claimed by 4 schools.
The playoff needs to expand; it will allow schools to stop scheduling so many crap OOC games; knowing a guaranteed spot awaits for a P5 conf champion. It will allow for more games like UGA-ND & LSU-UT. It will make the regular season more exciting and better experience for college stadium experiences.
It’s pretty simple...
Require all P5 schools to schedule a min of 8 conf games and 11 P5 teams total.
Lift the requirement of conferences larger than 10 teams using divisional format.
Expand the playoffs to 8 teams, with P5 auto qualifiers and G5 champion access based on rankings.
Host quarters 2 weekend in December on campus.
That’s it.....
expand access... check
Increase stadium experience... check
Play more of your conference more often... check
Keep traditional rivalries.. check
Keep bowl games... check
Make more money... check or cash; either way works!
.... oh and for those who think 1 more game for 2 teams is just too much to ask our student athletes... then just lift the ref shirt rules and give all students 5 years of eligibility.... stars will move on after 3 years any way and programs will be able to sustain longer.
The fact that every league in every sport in every city, state, or country has a minimum of 20% representation n their playoffs; except 1. NCAA FBS football, and it is 3%. And people are compliant about getting 1 more week of games; that’s 4 games for the shortest season of any major sport. We can’t get to 6% representation??
In 5 years there has been a total 20 playoff spots? 9 schools have claimed those spots. And of those spots 14 have been claimed by 4 schools.
The playoff needs to expand; it will allow schools to stop scheduling so many crap OOC games; knowing a guaranteed spot awaits for a P5 conf champion. It will allow for more games like UGA-ND & LSU-UT. It will make the regular season more exciting and better experience for college stadium experiences.
It’s pretty simple...
Require all P5 schools to schedule a min of 8 conf games and 11 P5 teams total.
Lift the requirement of conferences larger than 10 teams using divisional format.
Expand the playoffs to 8 teams, with P5 auto qualifiers and G5 champion access based on rankings.
Host quarters 2 weekend in December on campus.
That’s it.....
expand access... check
Increase stadium experience... check
Play more of your conference more often... check
Keep traditional rivalries.. check
Keep bowl games... check
Make more money... check or cash; either way works!
.... oh and for those who think 1 more game for 2 teams is just too much to ask our student athletes... then just lift the ref shirt rules and give all students 5 years of eligibility.... stars will move on after 3 years any way and programs will be able to sustain longer.
Posted on 11/21/19 at 5:15 am to r2d2
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This year for instance if UGA is ahead of Bama an L in the SECCG should not propel Bama ahead of them. That's a game Bama didn't even make, it's ridiculous to have that result benefit them.
I don’t think anyone is saying that a team losing the SECCG would be hurt by that loss over a team that didn’t even make the SECCG. Both teams are hurt by not winning it.
I think the sentiment is that we want to incentivize conference champions a little more. An eight team Play-off with your P5 champions and the next highest ranked three would incentivize conference champions as well as getting up in the rankings as a backup plan. Not unlike NFL playoffs (except they go by record, not ranking), which I don’t think many people have a problem with.
Posted on 11/21/19 at 6:50 am to Penrod
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Yours is a great post except for this remarkably stupid addition
Bullies will be bullies.
Posted on 11/21/19 at 8:38 am to Diesel88
The whole point of expanding from 2 to 4 teams was to increase TV revenue.
FIFY
FIFY
Posted on 11/21/19 at 8:40 am to Diesel88
The point is there should be 8 teams instead of 4. All P5 conference champions and 3 at large, including automatic bids for undefeated non-P5 conference teams.
Posted on 11/21/19 at 8:42 am to Diesel88
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If you don't win your conference, why should you be given a chance to win the whole thing?
One of incredibly obvious things I learned doing a time based college sport... not all conferences are equal or even fricking close. Winning time in some shite conference may not even get you into consolation finals (9th-16th) in a better conference.
Posted on 11/21/19 at 8:43 am to CFFreak
I don't have a problem with keeping it at 4, it's generally hard to find 5 deserving, most of the time it is 3 as all the games play out. Too taxing to ask teams to play an additional game and risk injury plus the games are at neutral sites which means more travel for everyone.
To satisfy the Group of Five, I would add a four team playoff just for them and they crown their own champion out of those teams that will never sniff the playoff. It prevents them from going back down to a lower division.
To satisfy the Group of Five, I would add a four team playoff just for them and they crown their own champion out of those teams that will never sniff the playoff. It prevents them from going back down to a lower division.
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