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re: Outsiders View of a Bad Call
Posted on 11/10/14 at 9:43 am to lsusteve1
Posted on 11/10/14 at 9:43 am to lsusteve1
quote:No. The problem is we've been hearing that for the last 4 years, and we just keep on winning, so what does that say about LSU?
LSU was the better team The better team didn't win sux to hear it, huh?
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Posted on 11/10/14 at 9:44 am to americanrealism
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Bama had two penalties in overtime, both from the LSU 1 yard line. Get that shite outta here.
Bama fans can keep pretending like those two penalties were equal to the LSU late hit, but they aren't.
Going from 1st and goal from the 2 to 1st and 10 from the 16 in OT isn't nearly the same thing as going from 2nd and goal from the 6 to 2nd and goal from the 21 during regulation. DWI.
The call against Bama in OT was an attempted make up call because the refs knew they fricked up with the first one. Short of punches being thrown the flag should have stayed in the officials pocket in that situation.
Posted on 11/10/14 at 9:48 am to Diamondawg
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But, a cooler head would have taken the push and not gotten caught in retaliation
Such as whe reggie ragland did not turn around and punch stokes for pulling down his pants. Also, you should all go watch that play with alexander again closely. The lsu people are all saying 86 was pulling on his leg and the provoked him. Not true, 86 was trying to help 99 out of the pile, alexander got jostled and then reacted, way out of proportion to anything anyone else was doing in that pile
Posted on 11/10/14 at 9:52 am to narddogg81
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Such as whe reggie ragland did not turn around and punch stokes for pulling down his pants. Also, you should all go watch that play with alexander again closely. The lsu people are all saying 86 was pulling on his leg and the provoked him. Not true, 86 was trying to help 99 out of the pile, alexander got jostled and then reacted, way out of proportion to anything anyone else was doing in that pile
So, now we are trying to measure intent but not the actual action? It was a bad call. Pure and simple.
Posted on 11/10/14 at 9:54 am to narddogg81
Before some of you tinfoil hatters bring up the illuminati, read the damn rules.
SEC refs cannot ref a game of their alma mater or of a school that a relative attends or graduated from.
So please retire the "the ref has a daughter at Bama" talking point/whine.
SEC refs cannot ref a game of their alma mater or of a school that a relative attends or graduated from.
So please retire the "the ref has a daughter at Bama" talking point/whine.
Posted on 11/10/14 at 9:55 am to BamaChick
The Rantards will believe anything these days
Posted on 11/10/14 at 10:00 am to coachcrisp
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No. The problem is we've been hearing that for the last 4 years, and we just keep on winning, so what does that say about LSU?
It says that far too often the way LSU plays leaves far too much up to chance...it's a strategy thing. 2012 and 2014 should never have happened the way they did relative to how the two teams played throughout the first 59 minutes of the games. I believe that is a fundamental flaw in how LSU prepares throughout the year leading up to the game.
Posted on 11/10/14 at 10:02 am to Miz-Stl
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I didn't have a rooting interest one way or the other, but I am not sure how that ref makes that call on LSU's lineman late in the game. In great games, and that was a great game, ref's should be a little more careful with their whistles.
If it's a penalty in the 1st quarter, it's a penalty in the 4th quarter.
And as to the notion that it should have been offsetting, go back and look at the clip. The Alabama player did absolutely nothing. Absolutely. Nothing.
Posted on 11/10/14 at 10:03 am to Miz-Stl
My view on this game.
I admit I was rooting for LSU. But I was and am completely sober.
-The referees helped Alabama more than pure neutrality can explain.
-LSU endgame play calling on offense and defense cost them the game, not the refs.
I believe the PF on LSU on their go ahead FG drive was absolute garbage that should not have been called. I would like more looks to confirm, but it appeared to me the Alabama player intentionally put his hand in the guy's crotch to get a response, I can't fault the LSU player for giving him the get off of my push. That's just instinct. Alabama WAS charged a timeout after that 1st down play.
had that call not been made, I don't think anyone believes LSU would have made an aggressive enough call to get a touchdown. They would have kicked a chipshot field goal instead of the 30 yarder they also succeeded on.
The real place where LSU lost the game was on the ensuing drive. LSU going to prevent defense was a terrible mistake. Sims, as the telecast showed with a graphic, hadn't been able to throw a pass beyond 10 yards. The soft defense and poor pass rush gave Sims a ton of time to make easy throws. After these throws were made, LSU doubled down on their miscue by continually taking tackle angles that allowed the Alabama players to get out of bounds. one our two tackles in bounds could have won the game.
In OT, LSU should have gotten a pass interference call on the final play. But I'm not going to call it REC because refs didn't want to call that. No refs ever want to call that. anywhere, involving any teams.
One thing I don't understand is the PF on Alabama resulted in them having a 1st and 10 from the 20. It should have been 1st and goal shouldn't it? That had an effect, as Alabama needed a 3rd rush to barely get the 1st down that should not have been available.
I admit I was rooting for LSU. But I was and am completely sober.
-The referees helped Alabama more than pure neutrality can explain.
-LSU endgame play calling on offense and defense cost them the game, not the refs.
I believe the PF on LSU on their go ahead FG drive was absolute garbage that should not have been called. I would like more looks to confirm, but it appeared to me the Alabama player intentionally put his hand in the guy's crotch to get a response, I can't fault the LSU player for giving him the get off of my push. That's just instinct. Alabama WAS charged a timeout after that 1st down play.
had that call not been made, I don't think anyone believes LSU would have made an aggressive enough call to get a touchdown. They would have kicked a chipshot field goal instead of the 30 yarder they also succeeded on.
The real place where LSU lost the game was on the ensuing drive. LSU going to prevent defense was a terrible mistake. Sims, as the telecast showed with a graphic, hadn't been able to throw a pass beyond 10 yards. The soft defense and poor pass rush gave Sims a ton of time to make easy throws. After these throws were made, LSU doubled down on their miscue by continually taking tackle angles that allowed the Alabama players to get out of bounds. one our two tackles in bounds could have won the game.
In OT, LSU should have gotten a pass interference call on the final play. But I'm not going to call it REC because refs didn't want to call that. No refs ever want to call that. anywhere, involving any teams.
One thing I don't understand is the PF on Alabama resulted in them having a 1st and 10 from the 20. It should have been 1st and goal shouldn't it? That had an effect, as Alabama needed a 3rd rush to barely get the 1st down that should not have been available.
Posted on 11/10/14 at 10:04 am to Tuscaloosa
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Same could have been said for the BS personal foul penalty on Leon Brown on our OT touchdown drive on the play that fat boy OL Brandon Greene caught a pass that took it down to the one. Instead of first and goal from the 1. It was first and 10 from the 16. If we hadn't scored there - that penalty would have been killer.
Yeah, I agree that the personal foul call on the Alabama player in OT was soft just like the one on LSU at the end of regulation.
The officials had been letting offensive linemen run in and block and push the pile when the ball carrier had been "stood up" for a while the entire game to a surprising degree (something I think is a bad idea but that's another point). Anyway, to all of the sudden call a personal foul in a similar situation at such a crucial point for a block that wasn't particularly dirty at all was out of keeping with the precedent the crew had set for 60 minutes.
It almost seemed like a "make up" call and I agree that it could have been potentially been devastating for Alabama.
Also, a pass interference call was simply non-existent the entire game for both teams and I could see an Alabama fan thinking this had perhaps helped LSU more since Alabama was forced to pass twice as often as LSU.
This post was edited on 11/10/14 at 10:28 am
Posted on 11/10/14 at 10:07 am to BamaGradinTn
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If it's a penalty in the 1st quarter, it's a penalty in the 4th quarter.
Wrong. There a numerous quotes from officials at the college and pro level that have stated just the opposite. Situational awareness is used all the time by officials, especially in the final minutes of a game.
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And as to the notion that it should have been offsetting, go back and look at the clip. The Alabama player did absolutely nothing. Absolutely. Nothing.
LOL
Posted on 11/10/14 at 10:09 am to lsusteve1
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LSU was the better team
The better team didn't win
sux to hear it, huh?
Considering Alabama outgained and outscored LSU, I'm interested in knowing exactly how you came to this conclusion.
The only 3 stats LSU won in this game were time of possession, total first downs, and fewer penalties. Alabama averaged more yards per pass, yards per rush, and were better in 3rd and 4th down conversion percentage.
Box Score
Posted on 11/10/14 at 10:10 am to BearBait09
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I don't think anyone believes LSU would have made an aggressive enough call to get a touchdown. They would have kicked a chipshot field goal instead of the 30 yarder they also succeeded on.
And here it is. The true issue LSU fans should have. It all starts with the way you prepare, how you practice, and how you play.
Posted on 11/10/14 at 10:10 am to BearBait09
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The real place where LSU lost the game was on the ensuing drive. LSU going to prevent defense was a terrible mistake
For the millionth time, LSU did not play prevent
Posted on 11/10/14 at 10:12 am to lsusteve1
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For the millionth time, LSU did not play prevent
It's like beating your head against a wall, isn't it?
Posted on 11/10/14 at 10:13 am to smooth99
how many blitzes were there? I didn't see any.
Posted on 11/10/14 at 10:19 am to BearBait09
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how many blitzes were there? I didn't see any
There was at least one safety blitz. It's not a true percent because LSU does bring pressure, but the corners and safeties all play 10-15 yards off the LOS. It's why they don't ever get beat deep but give up 10-15 yard completions.
Posted on 11/10/14 at 10:33 am to lsusteve1
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LSU was the better team
The better team didn't win
sux to hear it, huh?
You are such a pussy.
Posted on 11/10/14 at 10:35 am to mattloc
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My point is that we could all whine about the Refs. However, you could not pay me enough to be a Ref in the SEC ....especially in Death Valley
I guess someone paid them enough Saturday night.
Sorry, had to take that shot.
Posted on 11/10/14 at 10:36 am to 14&Counting
Regardless of what should have or have not been called - from the age of 8 on, every kid always heard - dont do chit like that - the refs always see the second - shove or 2nd whatever. Never fails - the one that swings or pushes 2nd gets the flag - and that is more or less what happened.
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