re: Official Ole Miss NCAA Sanctions Release: 2 yr bowl ban, presser @ 1pm, 13 Total Redux

so is it 13 MORE scholarship reductions on top of self-imposed, or 13 total? i keep hearing the news/radio reporting it as 13 MORE, implying more than the self-imposed.

these reporters are idiots then.

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24 scholarships over 4 years is enough to plant Ole Miss back in the cellar for a decade or more.

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That is a crushing blow if that ends up being the number. Just reading through this thread, I think some are underestimating how much of a crater that is.

Less than that number crippled Southern Cal for quite a while. Imagine what it will do to a program like Ole Miss.

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However, you're beating your chest about "could have gone 8-4" in a year when the sanctions HAVEN'T EVEN HIT YET

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Well, most of the scholarship restrictions are already in place. After next season, we are back to having the full allotment of scholarships.

Try harder.

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Bowl bans, probation, scholly reductions, show causes, vacating wins, etc...= slap on the wrist

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So tell us what did Auburn get in the 1990's paying one player compared to what Ole Miss just got paying players for more than 3 years and a host of other violations.

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The findings in the case in comparison to NCAA rules. You could even look the the mid 2000's UGA major violation for comparison and see the key differences as well.

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The UGA violation was primarily in regards to a single class that had both athletes and non-athletes... not sure what difference you're referencing? If anything, we simply misplayed our hand by giving in to the NCAA and admitting wrongdoing. As has now been shown over and over, you force the NCAA to find the information they need, and even if they do, you protract out the battle, they give a reasonably light punishment, and you appeal parts of that punishment.

They fundamentally don't have the necessary level of power to enforce...

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The pretty much gave them every type of punishment they have available, sans death penalty. They got hit hard, no way around it. Getting off with a slap on the wrist is MSU states punishment from a couple of years ago or simply probation. OF the recent big time programs, OM has received one of the worst punishments in recent history. Its just not what everyone had hoped for

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2 year bowl ban is probably right, but due to the duration of all of this, it doesn't "feel" like much because they barely qualified this year, and the outlook for next year isn't significantly better.

I may need some education on how the 13 total scholarship restrictions are actually applied. Is this reductions to the number of scholarship athletes they can bring in each year (ie... reducing the 25 signees)... or is it a cap to the 85 number that is applied over time? I legitimately don't understand this component, but 13 doesn't feel that substantial on the surface. It's a grazing wound rather than a gut shot.

Ultimately, I care less about what happens "to Ole Miss" and more about what the penalties say to every other university... which is... do what you want... if you get caught it will be difficult for the NCAA to prove anything and even if they do, it will hurt less than it should.

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oneusairman

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we handled your lil bro arse last week

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That is a crushing blow if that ends up being the number. Just reading through this thread, I think some are underestimating how much of a crater that is.

Less than that number crippled Southern Cal for quite a while. Imagine what it will do to a program like Ole Miss.

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Nah USC, Auburn and Alabama got more reductions then that for less. They should have had 50 scholarship reduction. Its half what it should be.

2002

University Alabama Sport involved: football
Violations: "rogue boosters" broke football recruiting and extra-benefit rules and provided impermissible recruiting inducements through high school coaches; numerous secondary violations
Probation: five years
Among other penalties: two-year bowl ban (2002, 2003); loss of 21 football scholarships over three years; disassociation of four boosters (three permanently)
Five-year repeat offender window: expired Jan. 31, 2007

USC Football:
n the documents released this week, the NCAA originally planned to impose a one-year postseason ban for the Trojans, the loss of six scholarships over two years, and a scholarship limit of 82 for those two years. The actual sanctions for the Trojans were a two-year postseason ban, the loss of 30 scholarships over three years and a maximum of 75 scholarship players for those three years. Let’s compare these penalties to other big-time programs that have been sanctioned in the past five years:

Auburn:
Auburn, 1993
The violations: Auburn booster Corky Frost was found to have given more than $4,000 in cash and merchandise — including steaks and tires for a car — to Tigers defensive back Eric Ramsey. Ramsey made several secret recordings of conversations with Frost and Auburn assistant coach Larry Blakeney, who also provided cash to Ramsey from another booster. Head football coach Pat Dye, then also the school’s athletic director, was never directly implicated, but charged with lack of institutional control.
The sanctions: Dye resigned after the 1992 season, months before the sanctions were announced. Auburn got two years of probation, lost 33 scholarships over a three-year period, was hit with a two-year postseason ban and a one-year television ban. Frost and Blakeney were permanently disassociated from the program.
The aftermath: Ramsey and wife Twilitta were booed heavily at their graduation from Auburn in December 1992. Auburn went 11-0 under first-year head coach Terry Bowden in 1993, but was ineligible for the SEC championship due to the NCAA sanctions. The Tigers — who won or shared in four SEC titles under Dye in the 1980s — wouldn’t win the conference again until 2004. Dye never coached again, but remains an active presence around the Auburn athletic department. Blakeney left in 1991 to become head coach at Troy, where he stayed more than 25 years and won 178 games.

Probation SEC

Chase Parham had an interesting theory about the 2 year bowl ban. With the sanctions outside of the bowl ban being very close to what Ole Miss thought they would get. Ole Miss will appeal the bowl ban but it would take months for it to happen. So players would be allowed to transfer even if Ole Miss doesn't get the additional bowl ban. Even if Ole Miss wins the appeal players would already be out of the program.