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re: Notre Dame is problematic for the SEC
Posted on 10/9/18 at 11:50 am to eazy e169
Posted on 10/9/18 at 11:50 am to eazy e169
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Schedule. Notre Dame has not played anyone and will not for the rest of the season
Their argument is that they do not schedule any FCS opponents therefore their schedule is the best in the nation. Any time you point to a team that has an insane conference schedule they always point out any FCS schools on that schedule as an argument.
My issue with Notre Dame is the fact they can get into the playoff without being in a conference and playing in that respective championship game. I have the same attitude towards any other team being allowed in without winning their respective championship or at least playing in it.
I also agree with the side that points out that a team can be punished just for playing in the conference championship game. Thats one more game ND does not have to play and can get in just because another team has that extra game and loses it.
Then you have the whole, "Notre Dame making it to the playoffs is good for college football" pundits. WTF does that even mean? Ive heard that argument at least a dozen times in the last week on TV and radio.
If theyre undefeated they will be in. Even if a more deserving team gets left out because that one extra game hurts them.
I have faith though that they will slip up at some point to a team they have no business losing to.
This post was edited on 10/9/18 at 11:52 am
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Posted on 10/9/18 at 11:56 am to RiverCityTider
Bama gets in no matter what because bama is college football. We could lose 12 games and get in, we could swap tua for stidham and get in, we could swap saban for gus.....ok now this post is getting stupid.
Posted on 10/9/18 at 12:02 pm to RiverCityTider
They're a bigger problem for the ACC.
You also have the head to head data Vandy point.
Vandy played ND to a 5 point loss. Uga crushed Vandy by 4 touchdowns.
I guess the same thing could be said about ND and Clemson with regards to Wake Forest.
You also have the head to head data Vandy point.
Vandy played ND to a 5 point loss. Uga crushed Vandy by 4 touchdowns.
I guess the same thing could be said about ND and Clemson with regards to Wake Forest.
Posted on 10/9/18 at 12:15 pm to RiverCityTider
If Notre Dame is undefeated at the end of the season and beat the PAC 12 champ Stanford then I'm fine with them getting in.
Posted on 10/9/18 at 12:22 pm to RiverCityTider
Notre Dame making the CFP, taking out at least one P5 conference rep, certainly will accelerate the cries for an expanded playoff.
Posted on 10/9/18 at 12:28 pm to Dawgy49
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Maybe some with much more intelligence and less bias than you would consider head to head.
ND 23. Vandy 17
UGA 41. Vandy 13
This is not head to head. This is called the transitive property. And it means next to nothing. I also think UGA is the better team.
Posted on 10/9/18 at 12:32 pm to RiverCityTider
Not sure I see the problem?
The SEC should not get in the habit of expecting 2 of the 4 playoff berths every year. What happened last year should not happen, barring extreme circumstances.
The SEC should not get in the habit of expecting 2 of the 4 playoff berths every year. What happened last year should not happen, barring extreme circumstances.
Posted on 10/9/18 at 12:34 pm to lewis and herschel
quote:they also squeaked by Ball St.
Vandy almost beating ND in South bend goes along way with UGA absolutely destroying Vandy...
But, there have been personnel changes and team improvement over the course of the season, which the CFP committee will take into account
Still, ND has to be undefeated. That said, there is a zero % chance an undefeated ND is left out. Pollsters have already forgotten those 2 subpar games. I am as sure of that as I am that a 1 loss or less SEC champ named Bama or UGA get in.
Unless multiple other conf champs have 2+ losses, an SEC 1 loss CCG loser isn't getting in.
Posted on 10/9/18 at 12:36 pm to RiverCityTider
An SEC champion is not being left out unless they have two losses.
Big 10 champ
SEC champ
ACC champ
Notre Dame
Pac-12 and Big 12 get left out.
Big 10 champ
SEC champ
ACC champ
Notre Dame
Pac-12 and Big 12 get left out.
This post was edited on 10/9/18 at 12:38 pm
Posted on 10/9/18 at 12:50 pm to AshLSU
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They have the built in catholic fan base. They have far more fans that would watch them in the playoffs on TV than Georgia does. It’s not a knock on Georgia. It’s just how it is.
Again,it’s about $$ and not “who the best team” really is.
It's not just Catholics. People all over the country regardless o religious beliefs follow ND. It doesn't hurt that they are identified with Catholics and Irish, though.
They just have a larger National brand.
Posted on 10/9/18 at 12:52 pm to Goldrush25
Not if WVU is undefeated. If they are all but guaranteed a spot, but they still have OU and Texas to go through, so I don't expect that to happen. What is likely is that Clemson slips up somewhere along the line, to likes of NCST or FSU, etc. They are then outside looking in. I think SEC could somehow end up with two in if it both those thing happen and would look like...
SEC Champ-undefeated (?)
Big 10 Champ-undefeated
Notre Dame-undefeated
SEC2- 1 loss
Big 12 Champ-1 loss
ACC champ-1 loss
Pac 12-2+ losses
SEC Champ-undefeated (?)
Big 10 Champ-undefeated
Notre Dame-undefeated
SEC2- 1 loss
Big 12 Champ-1 loss
ACC champ-1 loss
Pac 12-2+ losses
This post was edited on 10/9/18 at 12:57 pm
Posted on 10/9/18 at 12:52 pm to AshLSU
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With all due respect to an improved Florida team and a scrappy LSU squad, Georgia will demolish both of you.
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I’m not 100% convinced of that just yet. Is Georgia good enough to beat both? Absolutely. But either of those teams could pull off the win over Georgia if things go their way.
Again, we agree. We have not put in a full game against a strong, quality opponent. We think we are good, but we won't know until we see the game Saturday. Even then, Florida has a way of slipping up on us and winning games they shouldn't. Only time will tell how good Georgia is.
Posted on 10/9/18 at 12:55 pm to RiverCityTider
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the Irish win out, that may mean
a 12-1 Bama or Georgia are out.
Good. You should have to win your conference to be in the playoffs.
Posted on 10/9/18 at 12:56 pm to Go_Dawgs
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Their argument is that they do not schedule any FCS opponents therefore their schedule is the best in the nation. Any time you point to a team that has an insane conference schedule they always point out any FCS schools on that schedule as an argument.
In fairness, ND usually plays a pretty tough schedule. There is a cupcake or two, no doubt, but their schedule is always pretty stout.
Posted on 10/9/18 at 12:58 pm to CaptainBrannigan
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Good. You should have to win your conference to be in the playoffs.
Got your orange & Blue glasses on. As a fan I want the four best teams in the playoffs. I do not want to see a rematch of Alabama/ND of 2012. Every once in a while you will get that. I just don't want to see a bad team in there, just because they won a weak conference.
Posted on 10/9/18 at 1:05 pm to RiverCityTider
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If the Irish win out, that may mean
a 12-1 Bama or Georgia are out.
I am assuming an undefeated or one loss Big Ten Chanp Ohio State is untouchable, as is an undefeated Clemson.
Imagine if your Georgia, and you go 12-1, having lost a 1 point epic SEC Championship Game to #1 Alabama, and you don’t make it in.
Lot of assumptions there. Clemson undefeated may not be a foregone conclusion. Highly likely, but freshman QB, not great depth behind him... 1 Loss Clemson looks pretty poor this year with tight wins against a slightly above average aTm and Syracuse already.
Ohio State I agree... almost definitely in barring some epic collapse.
However, with Notre Dame... I think at 1 loss, they're behind a 12-1 Alabama/Georgia, presuming that both teams are undefeated going into the SECCG and the matchup is close. If nothing else, for the fact that they will play one less game and I think CFP will penalize them for it if possible...
At the end of the day, I'm not certain this UGA team can get to Atlanta undefeated... still a lot of growing pains with the youth, but they're improving.
This post was edited on 10/9/18 at 1:10 pm
Posted on 10/9/18 at 1:47 pm to viceman
quote:no point in arguing with him or anyone that disagrees
You're a naive fool.
we saw Texas jump into the top 10 - right?
are they really deserving considering the teams they jumped?
Notre Dame plays a great schedule (or at least a lot of name brand teams) and their name carries a lot of weight
it is what it is, only way tgey are left out with 1 loss is if there are 4 undefeated teams not named UCF
Posted on 10/9/18 at 2:42 pm to Go_Dawgs
This is exactly right! You are penalizing a team for qualifying for 1 extra game that they lose to the #1 team. It is not right, and if 2 undefeated SEC teams make the SEC title, they should just not play haha and do exactly what ND is doing, and sit at home. Until ND joins a conference, they should not be eligible for the CFP, what better way to get them to commit to the ACC in football than to leave them out of this year's CFP, send a damn message!
Posted on 10/9/18 at 2:48 pm to RiverCityTider
meh.
who cares, Bama will still beat em and win the title.
who cares, Bama will still beat em and win the title.
Posted on 10/11/18 at 9:33 am to RiverCityTider
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If Notre Dame loses ONCE, they are out.
I started to totally agree with the above, BUT the national pundits laud the Irish "tough" schedule constantly and despite the SEC being a "tough row to hoe", I would nearly say that their national appeal and the idea of "spreading the opportunity" would win out over having two SEC teams in.
I would say,
SEC Champ
Notre Dame (if undefeated...they'd be top 1 loss choice)
Clemson (if undefeated)
top choice of BIG 12 , BIG 10, and PAC 12 champ
which I feel this option all sucks!!! I wish they would just go to 8 dang teams so all 5 major conferences get their champ in...then there are 3 at large.
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